Abortions Rights Win (Again)

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm not sure that since slavery you could be considered a "person" in one state and "property of another" in the next.

Try to look at it from the perspective of the person being treated like a "thing" in one state and having the right to be protected from someone else making the choice for them to die in another.
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Slavery wasn't unconstitutional until the 13th amendment was ratified.
 
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hog88 said:
Slavery wasn't unconstitutional until the 13th amendment was ratified.
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Yes, and slavery like abortion, turned out to be a major issue for this country.

Don't try to act like it's normal for the United States to allow the killing of an innocent person in one state and outlaw that killing in the next state.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yes, and slavery like abortion, turned out to be a major issue for this country.

Don't try to act like it's normal for the United States to allow the killing of an innocent person in one state and outlaw that killing in the next state.
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WTF? Are you advocating for a federal ban on abortions?
 
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jvol1 said:
Texas considering laws to ban use of the roads for travel for abortion. How long before pro-life wild catters start crossing state lines trying to bring "murderers" to justice, like escaped slaves. Choice will probably need to be the national law again at some point.
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I suppose I could try to have a law passed that requires Margot Robbie to give me a lap dance once a week. I think the likelihood of standing up to legal scrutiny would be about the same as what you cited.
 
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hog88 said:
No I am not and it's not because I support abortion in any form. I abhor federal intervention into state issues.
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Shouldn't the Constitution unite us is protecting the sanctity and safety of Americans throughout the country?

An innocent American should be safe from being killed. Period. That IS part of the job of the Federal government. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and "inalienable rights from the Creator" are bedrock in the Declaration.

If an American is killed in Lebanon, should the STATE they're from go after the killer or the Federal government?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Shouldn't the Constitution unite us is protecting the sanctity and safety of Americans throughout the country?

An innocent American should be safe from being killed. Period. That IS part of the job of the Federal government. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and "inalienable rights from the Creator" are bedrock in the Declaration.

If an American is killed in Lebanon, should the STATE they're from go after the killer or the Federal government?
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The short answer is read the 10A. If it's not in the Constitution (and nothing about abortion is) then it doesn't fall under Federal purview.

Your take would be legitimate if there was an amendment to the Constitution that removed any ambiguity between abortion and "killing of a child". As it stands SCOTUS has determined it is not currently under Federal jurisprudence to make that decision.
 
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tvolsfan said:
This was obviously going to pass. Ohio republicans pretty much gave up on “abortion is murder” and pivoted to “ballot initiatives are scary.”
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They have realized abortion is murder is a losing position.

I would guess most people who say "abortion is murder" don't actually believe that when you ask the right questions. Who is willing to hand out a life sentence to an 18 YO girl who had an abortion at 6 weeks?
 
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hndog609 said:
The short answer is read the 10A. If it's not in the Constitution (and nothing about abortion is) then it doesn't fall under Federal purview.

Your take would be legitimate if there was an amendment to the Constitution that removed any ambiguity between abortion and "killing of a child". As it stands SCOTUS has determined it is not currently under Federal jurisprudence to make that decision.
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So you HONESTLY think Ohio should be able to make a law that innocent children can be killed below a certain age and people from Indiana should be able to just drive across the border, get the child killed, and come back home?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you HONESTLY think Ohio should be able to make a law that innocent children can be killed below a certain age and people from Indiana should be able to just drive across the border, get the child killed, and come back home?
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You misunderstand. I didn't give you a personal opinion of anything. If something is not addressed in the Constitution then

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

That's literally the law of the land.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you HONESTLY think Ohio should be able to make a law that innocent children can be killed below a certain age and people from Indiana should be able to just drive across the border, get the child killed, and come back home?
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There is too big of a divide on this issue my man. I have my own personal beliefs on abortion but can't expect other people to have the same mindset. Issues like this should be left for the states to decide. Just remember that God is keeping receipts.
 
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hndog609 said:
You misunderstand. I didn't give you a personal opinion of anything. If something is not addressed in the Constitution then

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

That's literally the law of the land.
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What does the 14th Amendment say in Section 1 about a state depriving an American of life?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
There is too big of a divide on this issue my man. I have my own personal beliefs on abortion but can't expect other people to have the same mindset. Issues like this should be left for the states to decide. Just remember that God is keeping receipts.
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We have a Constitution that addressed this in the 14th Amendment. States can't just make laws to take the life of residents of other states.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What does the 14th Amendment say in Section 1 about a state depriving an American of life?
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hndog609 said:
Your take would be legitimate if there was an amendment to the Constitution that removed any ambiguity between abortion and "killing of a child". As it stands SCOTUS has determined it is not currently under Federal jurisprudence to make that decision.
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hndog609 said:
The short answer is read the 10A. If it's not in the Constitution (and nothing about abortion is) then it doesn't fall under Federal purview.

Your take would be legitimate if there was an amendment to the Constitution that removed any ambiguity between abortion and "killing of a child". As it stands SCOTUS has determined it is not currently under Federal jurisprudence to make that decision.
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^^This
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We have a Constitution that addressed this in the 14th Amendment. States can't just make laws to take the life of residents of other states.
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What do you suggest? Tracking device on pregnant women that are a risk to flee to another state for an abortion?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Shouldn't the Constitution unite us is protecting the sanctity and safety of Americans throughout the country?

An innocent American should be safe from being killed. Period. That IS part of the job of the Federal government. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and "inalienable rights from the Creator" are bedrock in the Declaration.

If an American is killed in Lebanon, should the STATE they're from go after the killer or the Federal government?
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NO
 
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