ACC imploding???

[turdherder11]

Screw Clemson. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. Watch em burn in a weaker conference having to travel across the US week in week out.

 

[Chad F]

None.

Instead, the SEC should kick Missouri and Texas A&M out. Ditch South Carolina too.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It appears that FSU has investigated some potential answers to the ACC buyout money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/04/flo...aps-jpmorgan-to-find-potential-investors.html

Good luck with that. Reasonable estimates are $120 million to leave the conference itself PLUS they'd have to find a way to break the separate contract which gives the ACC the right to ANY future TV money the school makes even if it's with a different conference.

"To bolt the ACC, any school would need to pay an exit fee of three times its annual revenue (approximately $120 million) and would need to navigate the grant in media rights to the ACC to be able to broadcast future games. If not, all TV revenue a school generates from a new conference would have to be paid back to the ACC."

Florida State University may exit the ACC over its revenue model

 

[Volfan1000]

Not saying it is but, with the strong words out of Tallahassee this week, the SEC might just be in a good position to cherry pick a couple of strong schools (like we did w Texas & Oklahoma). And geographically speaking, it certainly would make more sense for ACC schools to join up with the SEC vs Big 10, 6 Pac, etc, right??

Virginia and North Carolina are very strong basketball brands and Virginia is also strong in the academic arena.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Nothing “southern” about Miami other than its geographic location being the furthest south. It’s NYC moved real far south. Zero southern culture. That’s why Mizzou should have never been let in and should be shown out. JMO.

Ain't this the truth. I drove through Columbia for the first time just a few weeks ago and thought to myself "Wtf are these corn eating yokels doing in the SEC?".

 

[savannahfan]

I’d want Clemson and Virginia Tech.

But ideally we’d be able to drop 2 schools to stay net neutral on count. I’d be looking to drop Missouri and the Shamecocks.

Almost totally agree. BUT drop only Missouri. There is NOTHING about this school, their teams, or their state or area that fit the SEC.

 

[maxorange]

No, to Virginia.

91 sugar bowl half time. Look it up.

I know that I’m rambling here, but from a football only stance there are only two to add without getting a safe space U or Vandy feel about them.

...and they brought maybe 5,000 fans to their crowning season in decades.

 

[savannahfan]

Virginia Tech should be an option .

I would really like to know why. I keep seeing them show up on many people's list. I just can't see why.

 

[northknoxvol]

Duke and North Carolina......you get academics and cupcakes in football and probably the best Basketball conference!

 

[fryeguy93]

NC State and Va Tech.

Virginia likely would want the Big10.

The position of unjustified prima dona has already been filled by Texas, so UNC need not apply.

VT and NCSU extends the TV footprint to more money. Clemson and a Florida school would not.

However, I would like also like to see more private schools in conference so Miami, Duke/Wake, or Liberty would not be all that disagreeable.

Adding Clemson and Fla State would not appreciably increase member revenues. As the increase in TV contract would not make the pie pieces larger. A slightly bigger- or same size pie, divided by 18 is not better than the current 16 piece pie

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I would really like to know why. I keep seeing them show up on many people's list. I just can't see why.

They are a school committed to football that have an enrollment of almost 40,000 students in a state that the SEC doesn’t have a school in, and a huge group of alums in several major metropolitan areas, including D.C. They also fit culturally in the SEC.

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

The SEC should be acting preemptively and get 4 teams from the ACC—
1.UNC
2. UVA
3. Florida State
4 Clemson

In that order.
move to a pod system with 4 pods of 5 teams each:

West

A&M
Texas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Arkansas

Coastal
Unc
UVA
Clemson
Florida state
South Carolina

Deep South
Ole miss
Miss st
LSU
Georgia
Florida

Appalachia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vandy
Alabama
Auburn

10 game schedule. 4 teams in your pod. Random 2 other games in each pod.

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

NC State and Va Tech.

Virginia likely would want the Big10.

The position of unjustified prima dona has already been filled by Texas, so UNC need not apply.

VT and NCSU extends the TV footprint to more money. Clemson and a Florida school would not.

However, I would like also like to see more private schools in conference so Miami, Duke/Wake, or Liberty would not be all that disagreeable.

Adding Clemson and Fla State would not appreciably increase member revenues. As the increase in TV contract would not make the pie pieces larger. A slightly bigger- or same size pie, divided by 18 is not better than the current 16 piece pie

I see comments like this and it’s just baffling that people think like this, unless you are a big ten supporter trying to get us to make the most silly decision possible. Literally leaving the schools are competitor would take first….

 

[Dougie_D]

My guess is that we would take North Carolina and FSU. Both are decent in basketball and football

 

[Vol8188]

The pac 12 imploded because people living on the west coast aren’t really American anymore. The people that care ahout college football are people in the heartland—the Midwest and the southeast where the replacement hasn’t given full time to occur yet.

Take your Turner Diaries “replacement” conspiracies elsewhere. This is the football forum

 

[Volmeister]

I hate expansion! Years ago, Auburn was our 2nd biggest rival. Thanks to expansion we lost that rivalry and replaced it with Missouri and South Carolina! Give me a break, those are the type teams that we would meet in the Independence Bowl when we had a bad season.

 

[Vol8188]

Are you running for Miss america or something? Do you think you get a magical sell out point for being soft? Take your softness elsewhere. I’m talking why the pac 12 collapsed. Their people don’t care about college football on the west coast because they’re soft. So keep thinking the way you do and maybe you’ll destroy college football in the southeast. Softee.

If they don’t care, why did they leave and go to better football conferences?

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

If they don’t care, why did they leave and go to better football conferences?

Because of money. They couldn’t get the same tv deals as other conferences—because—their people don’t watch college football and the networks weren’t paying premium dollars for a conference largely comprised of an apathetic populace.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Not long ago I'd have said VT. But they aren't what they were since Beamer retired. I'm not sure they are an attractive acquisition anymore.

UNC and Duke are joined at the hip. No way the SEC wants both. Their basketball rivalry is huge. But getting one adds the same tv market as getting both.

Clemson looks to be on the slide and doesn't add much on terms of market over SC. FSU, Virginia, and NCST are probably the most likely IMO. FSU is a huge national brand and the other two add TV markets without any baggage. I could see VT over Virginia. But Virginia is closer to DC and other big markets.

 

[Volador]

I hate expansion! Years ago, Auburn was our 2nd biggest rival. Thanks to expansion we lost that rivalry and replaced it with Missouri and South Carolina! Give me a break, those are the type teams that we would meet in the Independence Bowl when we had a bad season.

You are more than welcome to hate expansion - but it is real

 

[Volador]

If Clemson were to be considered, we'd have to exercise our rights under the SEC agreement (section 4, under 4:11 Team Colors). Clemson would be given the choice of brown or pink if they were to join the SEC. There is only one Big Orange !

 

[fryeguy93]

I see comments like this and it’s just baffling that people think like this, unless you are a big ten supporter trying to get us to make the most silly decision possible. Literally leaving the schools are competitor would take first….

Why would you expand the conference if you don't make additional money from the expansion?
Worse, why add a team if it results in less money per the current schools?

Additionally, the ESPN gravy train is about to come to a stop and we don't know if a similar or better money source is coming (Apple, Amazon, etc)
Why would you expect ESPN to offer more money to SEC for Clemson and Florida State when they already have those two schools at a lower cost until 2036?

Quit viewing the Big10 as a competitor. Reducing revenue just to keep another conference from expanding and increasing their revenue is in no way a logical business model and adding Clemson and Fla State to their league would make more them more money as they do grow into new states and have a deal with Fox who would also be expanding.

Expansion into NC and VA is a slam dunk and that's why those are the states most often mentioned.

Picking up schools in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania and even lowly WV makes more fiscal sense than adding FSU and Clemson.

Cincinnati makes us more money than Clemson
Miami University makes us more money than University of Miami

 

[WhenUrVolUrVFL]

The reaso

Why would you expand the conference if you don't make additional money from the expansion?
Worse, why add a team if it results in less money per the current schools?

Additionally, the ESPN gravy train is about to come to a stop and we don't know if a similar or better money source is coming (Apple, Amazon, etc)
Why would you expect ESPN to offer more money to SEC for Clemson and Florida State when they already have those two schools at a lower cost until 2036?

Quit viewing the Big10 as a competitor. Reducing revenue just to keep another conference from expanding and increasing their revenue is in no way a logical business model and adding Clemson and Fla State to their league would make more them more money as they do grow into new states and have a deal with Fox who would also be expanding.

Expansion into NC and VA is a slam dunk and that's why those are the states most often mentioned.

Picking up schools in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania and even lowly WV makes more fiscal sense than adding FSU and Clemson.

Cincinnati makes us more money than Clemson
Miami University makes us more money than University of Miami

The reason the advertisers are paying premium dollars to the networks is for marquee matchups. They’re not paying premium dollars for Pitt. Or Cincinatti. They’ll pay premium dollars for matchups that add schools like Florida State and Clemson to the mix.

Keeping the big ten from acquiring schools in our backyard is absolutely a strategic move.

 

[VolDave53]

I read somewhere that one consideration upon which seemingly no one publicly comments: A merger wholesale of the ACC and the SEC under the SEC banner. This is about who gets to negotiate TV rights, ultimately. The SEC has proven itself to be a strong negotiator, and with fewer conferences, the BIG10 and the SEC would control the most of the product in the marketplace.

If a wholesale merger occurs, there are no buyout stipulations for FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc..

Thoughts?

 

[Volmeister]

You are more than welcome to hate expansion - but it is real

And all this time I thought it was fake.