Active Shooter at High School in Parkland, FL

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If someone is hell bent on doing drugs they are going to get them.

If someone is hell bent on stealing property they are going to do it.

If someone is hell bent on sexuality assualting a child they are going to do it.

If someone is hell bent on crossing the boarder they are going to do it.

I mean... why have laws for anything?

Soo..you want to outlaw guns?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If someone is hell bent on doing drugs they are going to get them.

If someone is hell bent on stealing property they are going to do it.

If someone is hell bent on sexuality assualting a child they are going to do it.

If someone is hell bent on crossing the boarder they are going to do it.

I mean... why have laws for anything?

Plus...last I checked killin was agin the law.

 

[BenGrimm]

Soo..you want to outlaw guns?

Soo..you want to outlaw guns?

Not completely. No. Tougher regulations and restrictions closing loopholes that give readily available access to people with ill intent? I’m certainly open to that discussion.

I was just pointing out the ridiculous argument that these shootings would happen regardless of laws. Shutting down debate based on that logic can apply to everything. If “it will happen anyway” is the case then what is the point of any laws?

Like you said. Killing people is illegal but it happens everyday. Why bother having laws against it?

 

[bignewt]

The reason you have prohibitive laws is for an effective deterrent. If people do not care about the consequences(i.e. insane) then they will commit the crime. If you freely give them the tools to be as effective as possible, you get what you get.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not completely. No. Tougher regulations and restrictions closing loopholes that give readily available access to people with ill intent? I’m certainly open to that discussion.

I was just pointing out the ridiculous argument that these shootings would happen regardless of laws. Shutting down debate based on that logic can apply to everything. If “it will happen anyway” is the case then what is the point of any laws?

Like you said. Killing people is illegal but it happens everyday. Why bother having laws against it?

The reason that staunch 2nd amendment advocates are unwilling to give an inch, even when it could probably be considered common sense, is that we know that common sense regulation is not the agenda. It is an outright ban that they want. They don't want an inch, they want the whole thing.

PS: I am for common sense, but if you come and try to take my guns...good luck..

 

[BenGrimm]

The reason that staunch 2nd amendment advocates are unwilling to give an inch, even when it could probably be considered common sense, is that we know that common sense regulation is not the agenda. It is an outright ban that they want. They don't want an inch, they want the whole thing.

PS: I am for common sense, but if you come and try to take my guns...good luck..

I remember Obama’s interview with Mark Martin and he was mocking people’s paranoia that black helicopters were going to come down to take people’s guns.

Anyone with any sense knows that is unrealistic.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I remember Obama’s interview with Mark Martin and he was mocking people’s paranoia that black helicopters were going to come down to take people’s guns.

Anyone with any sense knows that is unrealistic.

Of course it is unrealistic right now..

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I remember Obama’s interview with Mark Martin and he was mocking people’s paranoia that black helicopters were going to come down to take people’s guns.

Anyone with any sense knows that is unrealistic.

And what I said is still true.

 

[Coug]

NICS needs more access to mental health records.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I know in Nashville, most of the shootings are done by blacks and hispanics. Solution seems pretty obvious if you're looking at putting together an effective ban list.

 

[Coug]

Disagree with this one because the cause isn't specified.

I'd say most of the time, the situation that causes suicide is temporary like depression. Things that can be overcome and treated. There is no reason to permanently revoke someone's Constitutional Right because of a single incident. Temporary revocation, sure, but not permanent.

If someone shows a history of suicidal tendencies, I agree it would be a reason. But not just based on a single incident.

The cause doesn't matter, whether it was someone else or yourself you attempted to end a human life.

 

[Grand Vol]

The cause doesn't matter, whether it was someone else or yourself you attempted to end a human life.

Cause certainly does matter. Everyone has low times in their lives when they think there is no other way out. Many if not most of these people can be helped in the long run by counseling and support. And end up leading perfectly normal and mentally healthy lives afterwards.

Again, I don't personally think the right should be permanently revoked for that reason unless the person shows a history of destructive behavior. A temporary hold, yes, but not a permanent ban depending on the circumstances.

 

[crusse10]

I know in Nashville, most of the shootings are done by blacks and hispanics. Solution seems pretty obvious if you're looking at putting together an effective ban list.

is now the appropriate time to use the term racist?

 

[BenGrimm]

I read yesterday the shooter is set to inherit $800,000 from his mom’s life Insurance policy. She died in Nov from pneumonia.

 

[JFreak]

I read yesterday the shooter is set to inherit $800,000 from his mom’s life Insurance policy. She died in Nov from pneumonia.

Great. Give it to the victims families or use it to pay for his incarceration. Ideally, a 7.62 mm bullet to the head and the remaining $799,999 could go to the victims families but that's cruel or something.

 

[chatsworth_vol]

Cause certainly does matter. Everyone has low times in their lives when they think there is no other way out. Many if not most of these people can be helped in the long run by counseling and support. And end up leading perfectly normal and mentally healthy lives afterwards.

Again, I don't personally think the right should be permanently revoked for that reason unless the person shows a history of destructive behavior. A temporary hold, yes, but not a permanent ban depending on the circumstances.

This is very true. Cause is very important. Many of the depressions that can easily lead to suicide have cures or treatments, or are temporary in nature. Ptsd, post-partum, S.a.d, are just a few that with treatment and time can be cured or managed to have a safe and normal life.

 

[ACvol3]

Great. Give it to the victims families or use it to pay for his incarceration. Ideally, a 7.62 mm bullet to the head and the remaining $799,999 could go to the victims families but that's cruel or something.

That's the way I'd go out if given the option... maybe .50 bmg

 

[JFreak]

That's the way I'd go out if given the option... maybe .50 bmg

.50 bmg would definitely reduce the funeral/cremation costs! Not much of ya would be left.

 

[ACvol3]

.50 bmg would definitely reduce the funeral/cremation costs! Not much of ya would be left.

Exactly.. a well spent $10

 

[n_huffhines]

Guns were just as easy to get when I was a kid, easier actually. Lack of shared culture and commonly accepted sense of morality coupled with desensitization from the entertainment industry is what's changed.

If we're so desensitized, morally bankrupt, and heterogeneous, why is there such a huge decline in teen violence, overall? We're at a 50 year low:

 

[kiddiedoc]

In the meantime, we need to make schools, churches, airports, malls, stadiums, and any high-density area a hard target to the best of our ability. And there's only one way to do that. We have the way. Do we have the will.

This is pretty much what I'm thinking might be the only reasonable option.

 

[Coug]

Cause certainly does matter. Everyone has low times in their lives when they think there is no other way out. Many if not most of these people can be helped in the long run by counseling and support. And end up leading perfectly normal and mentally healthy lives afterwards.

Again, I don't personally think the right should be permanently revoked for that reason unless the person shows a history of destructive behavior. A temporary hold, yes, but not a permanent ban depending on the circumstances.

Ok, I see where you are coming from but you agree that initially attempted suicide should be flagged.

 

[Orange Daddy]

Fla. school officer waited outside building for 4 minutes as killings happened, sheriff says

 

[Coug]

Fla. school officer waited outside building for 4 minutes as killings happened, sheriff says

He froze, not much else to say about it. He was a resource officer with a gun who probably didn't even have to pull it out for 8 years.

Let's not bring up Orlando where ALL the actual cops just waited outside.

 

[Grand Vol]

Ok, I see where you are coming from but you agree that initially attempted suicide should be flagged.

No, absolutely and that's a smart measure while the problems get fixed (if they can be fixed). However, long term denial is deal breaker.