Active Shooter Killed At Nashville School

[bignewt]

Can't disagree with most of that but your views are gun control are right out of the liberal playbook. None of your "solutions" will prevent anything.

Need to try. We are at that point.

 

[Weezy]

Too vague. Let's use an example that we know who the shooter was, the Las Vegas massacre. That guy had no documented prior episodes of mental health issues, no arrests and no reports to authorities about him yet something drove him to commit the largest mass shooting in our history. What "rehaul" of our mental health system would have stopped that? We have to go deeper.

I refuse to believe that somebody can suppress that kind of crazy. The government might not have known it but his family and friends, if he has any, knew there were marbles loose. I see a path where a red flag system manages this while protecting against government abuse.

 

[Ttucke11]

Is divorce exclusive to the US?

I don't have to explain this do I? Divorce go up, violent crime go up.

 

[utvolpj]

Need to try. We are at that point.

Rights willingly surrendered will never be returned. That's a certainty with govt

 

[RikidyBones]

Oh you didnt get the newsletter...Im pretty much apolitical now. Libertarians arent the answer and in a broken two party system they will never have a chance. I just use common sense at this point, politics are a man-created evil.

Being for gun control is antithetical to libertarianism and being apolitical because you're giving all of the power to the gov which has power that is extremely political. That shouldn't even be on the table because it directly feeds pure politicization

 

[Weezer]

How many school bombings we got if its so easy?

That's the point. I wasn't disagreeing that guns are the easiest way right NOW. But bombs aren't hard to make, and someone wanting to cause a mass casualty event would be able to do so if a gun weren't available. It would just take a little more effort.

 

[bignewt]

Madison did not envision just how mighty the Pen would become. Or maybe he did.

The consitution was meant to be a working document. We have 27 amendments. Why people are so gung ho on it being some sacred thing that can transcend the centuries amazes me.

 

[hog88]

I am too. Reopen insane asylums.

Sure but that's not the answer. Something has changed over the last 40 or so years, buying a semi-automatic firearm was easier in the 60s than it is today yet these events were almost unheard of. What's changed with the people of this country, when we find that answer we will find the answer to these mass killings.

 

[GroverCleveland]

If someone strapped a vape to you and made you smoke it till you died I would see the parallel. But no.

Kind of like a gun jumping into your hand, firing and reloading until it kills someone?

 

[bignewt]

That's the point. I wasn't disagreeing that guns are the easiest way right NOW. But bombs aren't hard to make, and someone wanting to cause a mass casualty event would be able to do so if a gun weren't available. It would just take a little more effort.

Why not do that now though? That little extra effort would mean far more death and they could do it remotely? Why guns?

 

[Noni]

If someone breaks into your home and steals your car and uses it to mow people down you aren't held responsible nor should you be. You think if someone breaks into your home and steals a gun then uses it you should be held responsible?

Talk about victimizing a victim.

We've had our house broken into. First question the cop asked me was "are there guns in the house?". There were, but they are in a gun safe. The thieves did try to take the whole gun safe though. It was on it's back on the basement floor so I suppose they thought they could just carry the whole thing out. Tells me they must have been driving a truck, desperate and probably high. Anyways, I'm very thankful that they were locked up and didn't find their way out on the streets.

 

[Weezer]

That's the point. I wasn't disagreeing that guns are the easiest way right NOW. But bombs aren't hard to make, and someone wanting to cause a mass casualty event would be able to do so if a gun weren't available. It would just take a little more effort.

I realize I've been pulled right back into the gun debate, distracted once more from the real problem: MENTAL HEALTH.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If you think someone saying “thoughts and prayers” is equivalent to someone knocking someone because they don’t agree with their way of dealing with a tragedy then idk what to tell you.

Don't tell me anything then? The hypocrisy of telling someone else "nobody believes like you, so don't share your opinion" while also trying to defend someone for sharing THEIR belief is pretty wild.

First amendment is freedom of more than just religion and if newt wants to complain any/every time someone says "thoughts and prayers" he has as much right as the person saying thoughts and prayers to begin with.

 

[Matt2496]

I think that there are some common sense security measures that could be enacted.

1. Lock all entrances from the outside and only allow one point of entry into a school
2. Said point of entry has a metal detector similar to that at an airport and an armed security guard to check backpacks, purses, or containers for weapons.

I also think that we need more mental institutions to deal with the crazies.

 

[bignewt]

Being for gun control is antithetical to libertarianism and being apolitical because you're giving all of the power to the gov which has power that is extremely political. That shouldn't even be on the table because it directly feeds pure politicization

having some gun control measures is not giving ALL the control to the government. But slippery slope!!! Sure but kids murdered repeatedly...

 

[GroverCleveland]

I am not going to know for sure until the reporting is more complete, but initial media reports are that she had two assault rifles and a handgun. As far as I can tell, 98 % of the time when in the hands of civilians these assault rifles (let's call then a style of firearm) has two functions:

1) to look cool in social media posts; and

2) to kill more people, faster.

I have yet to hear of people routinely using such weapons to hunt.

And it sure seems like the coolness factor plays a role in some of these people arming themselves and emboldening them to such action. So, I am pretty well convinced at this point that the value of # 1 is easily outweighed by the losses in # 2. But people confuse the right to bear arms with the right to bear any arm.

You say you want common sense? How about we see if we can't make some common sense distinctions where people own firearms for utility, not facebook posts.

I use mine to hunt and have taken deer with it.

 

[Through_The_T]

I am not going to know for sure until the reporting is more complete, but initial media reports are that she had two assault rifles and a handgun. As far as I can tell, 98 % of the time when in the hands of civilians these assault rifles (let's call then a style of firearm) has two functions:

1) to look cool in social media posts; and

2) to kill more people, faster.

I have yet to hear of people routinely using such weapons to hunt.

And it sure seems like the coolness factor plays a role in some of these people arming themselves and emboldening them to such action. So, I am pretty well convinced at this point that the value of # 1 is easily outweighed by the losses in # 2. But people confuse the right to bear arms with the right to bear any arm.

You say you want common sense? How about we see if we can't make some common sense distinctions where people own firearms for utility, not facebook posts.

Statements like the bolded are simply just pure ignorance. I just don't know how to sugarcoat it...

Semi-automatic rifles are extremely popular for hunting pest animals like feral hogs and coyotes who travel in packs or in large groups and are much more difficult to hunt with bolt-action weaponry. They are also very useful in personal and home defense situations as they can be wielded more accurately and with more rounds to engage multiple threats than handguns/shotguns.

Again, please educate yourself before spewing nonsense like this.

 

[knoxvol52]

Agreed mostly though I don't believe 'Drag Queens' belongs in this conversation though that is the current hot topic. And, I do believe we need to address the topics of Guns better than today. How did she get that gun? How much of a background check was done? Were there big red flags?

You can get guns anywhere background checks are the least of people selling hot guns

 

[Weezer]

Why not do that now though? That little extra effort would mean far more death and they could do it remotely? Why guns?

Path of least effort.

I'm done making this about guns. It's not the guns. The discussion should be about how we identify and treat the people who do these things BEFORE they do these things. Mental health is the problem we really need to confront.

 

[jmacvols1]

Wonder how many kids died of fentanyl today vs. school shooting? But let it flow over the border, so let’s ban guns instead.

Fighting Fentanyl: The Federal Response to a Growing Crisis | 2022 Congressional Testimony from CDC

"The latest provisional mortality data from CDC indicate that more than 107,000 Americans died from a drug overdose in the 12-months ending in January 2022. Of these deaths, it is estimated that 80,590 of these deaths, or 75%, involved at least one opioid, with 71,450 (66.5%) involving synthetic opioids, primarily illicitly manufactured fentanyl or fentanyl analogs."

Fentanyl seizures at the border continue to spike, shatter records in 2022

"Border officers at Arizona's Nogales Port of Entry seized 1.5 million fentanyl pills in a single week, according to an announcement by Port Director Michael Humphries earlier this month."

 

[bignewt]

Kind of like a gun jumping into your hand, firing and reloading until it kills someone?

Tobacoo kills you after 50-60 years. A gun in the wrong hands can kill others. There is zero comparison.

 

[RikidyBones]

Sure but that's not the answer. Something has changed over the last 40 or so years, buying a semi-automatic firearm was easier in the 60s than it is today yet these events were almost unheard of. What's changed with the people of this country, when we find that answer we will find the answer to these mass killings.

Society has less values and principles. Before, society had its agreed upon manners, public behavior, etc. It's so diluted and contradicted now that norms faded during the 90s and we have seen it shift harshly the other direction. Some of it is the dilution of societal roles. No one has a place in society, they have to figure it out in an ocean sized pool of possibilities. Some people drown.

 

[Volsdeep4]

Don't tell me anything then? The hypocrisy of telling someone else "nobody believes like you, so don't share your opinion" while also trying to defend someone for sharing THEIR belief is pretty wild.

First amendment is freedom of more than just religion and if newt wants to complain any/every time someone says "thoughts and prayers" he has as much right as the person saying thoughts and prayers to begin with.

Yeah he has the right of course. I think the issue is it’s the same old tired act with him. We get he doesn’t pray. That’s cool but why make comments about people who do?

 

[screenthis]

Go be miserable elsewhere. Some on here feel like that’s how they can help. I’m sure the mothers and fathers of the dead of a Christian private school believe in prayer.

I agree with the original poster in that all we seemed to do tragedy after tragedy was to send 'thoughts and prayers'. But, yes, please do keep sending thoughts, prayers, well wishes, etc. As for our politicians...please do even more.

 

[85SugarVol]

The consitution was meant to be a working document. We have 27 amendments. Why people are so gung ho on it being some sacred thing that can transcend the centuries amazes me.

And as you point out there are mechanisms in place to amend it.