Active Shooter Killed At Nashville School

[hog88]

Is there a murder rate chart for urban vs suburban areas?

IDK

 

[GroverCleveland]

One argument to cut down on the number of shooting is to quit reporting on them. So let's say we could demonstrate that were true, how many would be just as willing to curtail the 1A as they are the 2nd?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Do you apply this idiotic logic with everything else? Alcohol kills people, so “if it saves just one life” ban it. Movies and music can inspire people to commit violent crimes, so “if it saves just one” let’s ban it.
Twitter, Facebook, and other social media are being used to cyber bully, which has resulted in many children committing suicide. “If it saves just one”, ban it. Cell phones have caused the deaths of many people due to use while driving, so “if it saves just one life” we should ban them.

You forgot video games. 1st person shooter is THE most popular genre.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

How so? How has gun control worked? The murder rate since the 60s hasn't changed much yet restrictions on gun ownership have increased dramatically.

...in the US.

You can lower any rate by increasing population, and the US population from the 60s to now has nearly doubled. The number you should be looking at though is the percentage of US Homicides involving firearms, in 2020 it was 80% and in the 1960s it was only about 50%.

I also think you have to look at different countries for gun control not just the US and it's previous self (when data tracking wasn't as common place or accurate).

 

[82_VOL_83]

Exaggeration for effect. You realize there is a middle ground, or maybe not.

Your ilk knows no middle ground. You keep middle grounding an idea to the point that after the 10th iteration, the starting point isn't even close to where you started.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It would point out that one segment of the population has a problem. It also demolishes a lot of arguments for gun control.

While this is true, it does not take away that automobiles even now kill almost as many children as guns. Many people consider their guns essential. I do. Don't leave home without it.

Huh, What?

By why not look at it geographically or by income levels? Why specifically racial demographic data?

Guns aren't essential at all, your subjective stance on that topic isn't useful. You can get to the grocery store without a gun, you don't need it with you to take a family vacation to the beach.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Caculator]

Extensive background checks + firearms safety course and test before being allowed to own a gun + raise age of purchase to 21 + registration of all firearms would be a good place to start.

Enforce the laws on the books already. More laws and lax enforcement are both problems easily countered.

 

[MarcoVol]

You don't want solutions, you want to "do something". Your ideas would do nothing to stop these events. I have laid out my ideas numerous times and they begin with finding the root cause of what brings a person to commit such an act.

Yet countries with stricter gun laws - including mandatory licensing - see far, far fewer mass shootings.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

One argument to cut down on the number of shooting is to quit reporting on them. So let's say we could demonstrate that were true, how many would be just as willing to curtail the 1A as they are the 2nd?

But we as a population can control that without any adjustment to the 1st amendment... if those stories don't drive up traffic or sales they become less "front page" worthy.

 

[LadyVolette]

That's even crazier. I don't remember hearing a case of a woman shooting children.

Looked it up, since 1984, there have been 135 mass shootings involving a male and only 3 by a female.

It’s not anything that you can even phathom, speaking as a woman, my instinct is to protect everyone’s kids, it goes without saying that this is a crazy woman, as women I think are just ‘not right’.. like daycare workers who hurt kids.. something seriously wrong

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Yet countries with stricter gun laws - including mandatory licensing - see far, far fewer mass shootings.

BUT LOOK AT CHICAGO!!!

It's like telling UT fans they can't drink in Neyland, but having dozens of bars nearby and allowing it in the parking lots for tailgating then being shocked fans in Neyland are drunk.

The biggest issues with gun laws is they have to be widespread or they'll be ineffective. The people in Chicago that want to own weapons can likely drive within 15 miles any direction out of the city and find them legally still.

 

[Vol8188]

Dude, there’s like 135 mass shootings every year in this, the only civilized country on earth that allows children to be mowed down in lawless regularity.

If there was as many as claimed it would show up in our homicide rates. Yet the white homicide rate is essentially the same as that of Europe.

The truth is that’s an inflated statistic.

 

[VolStrom]

It’s not anything that you can even phathom, speaking as a woman, my instinct is to protect everyone’s kids, it goes without saying that this is a crazy woman, as women I think are just ‘not right’.. like daycare workers who hurt kids.. something seriously wrong

And it goes without saying that banning guns would have prevented this.

 

[Vol8188]

Like a national registry of all firearms owners in the US?

If homicide rates are no different than Europe despite all these scary unregistered firearms, why would you believe we need to register them?

Does a registered gun kill children less effectively are is this tragedy just use gross excuse to push unrelated nonsense that you want?

 

[GroverCleveland]

By why not look at it geographically or by income levels? Why specifically racial demographic data?

What is your objection to looking at it that way? But playing along, the South routinely has higher rates of gun violence than the North. There is a correlation to higher temperature. There are correlations with income/education levels and, I think we would both agree there are probably others, for example most murderers probably are not Sunday School teachers.

But one of the strongest correlations is race. I've looked at the numbers. Again, a lot of the arguments trotted out by the gun control supporters compares US gun violence to Europe/wherever. However, when the gun violence of the 13% is removed from the statistics, we drop to the middle of the pack with FAR more guns among the population. If one just considered Asians in the US, I think the gun control argument of few guns equals fewer crimes falls completely apart.

Guns aren't essential at all, your subjective stance on that topic isn't useful. You can get to the grocery store without a gun, you don't need it with you to take a family vacation to the beach.

Your subjective stance about my subjective stance isn't useful either. But try breaking into my house or create a threatening situation for me or family in public and we'll see whose subjective stance becomes objective.

 

[Vol8188]

Extensive background checks + firearms safety course and test before being allowed to own a gun + raise age of purchase to 21 + registration of all firearms would be a good place to start.

That’s what it is. She just didn’t know how to properly use it. If only she’d had a safety course. She must not have know what happens when you aim at a child and pull the trigger do to her lack of safety training.

Or perhaps you’re just grossly campaigning on the graves of children for unrelated things you want.

 

[AirVol]

Tobacoo kills you after 50-60 years. A gun in the wrong hands can kill others. There is zero comparison.

A gun in the right hands kills the one in the wrong hands.

 

[Septic]

This is the cost of doing business when we wrap ourselves in the cloak of the Constitution.

Either we care more about the lives of innocents, or we value the right to bear arms - we as a society are clearly not capable of bridging that gap.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Too vague. Let's use an example that we know who the shooter was, the Las Vegas massacre. That guy had no documented prior episodes of mental health issues, no arrests and no reports to authorities about him yet something drove him to commit the largest mass shooting in our history. What "rehaul" of our mental health system would have stopped that? We have to go deeper.

That's not completely accurate. As the article below explains, Stephen Paddock was on anxiety medication at the time of the October 1, 2017 mass shooting from his room at Mandalay Bay. Paddock's doctor had even offered him anti-depressants.

Vegas gunman inspired by criminal father's reputation

The bigger problem, however, was with how Las Vegas hotels and casinos go out of their way to cater to whales who regularly lose tens of thousands of dollars. Because Paddock was such a high stakes gambler (and apparently terrible at it) the Mandalay Bay staff granted Paddock the room of his choice with access to a service elevator, which allowed him to transport multiple suitcases filled with ammunition at all hours of the night. This special access, which would never be accorded to the average guest, allowed Paddock to avoid the kind of scrutiny that his back and forth trips with heavy luggage would have otherwise garnered from hotel security ... and that is why MGM is getting sued out of their ying-yang. They allowed business to interfere with their security safeguards.

 

[VolStrom]

........

But one of the strongest correlations is race. I've looked at the numbers. Again, a lot of the arguments trotted out by the gun control supporters compares US gun violence to Europe/wherever. However, when the gun violence of the 13% is removed from the statistics, we drop to the middle of the pack with FAR more guns among the population. If one just considered Asians in the US, I think the gun control argument of few guns equals fewer crimes falls completely apart.

Your subjective stance about my subjective stance isn't useful either. But try breaking into my house or create a threatening situation for me or family in public and we'll see whose subject stance becomes objective.

Now that hurts the liberals.

 

[GroverCleveland]

But we as a population can control that without any adjustment to the 1st amendment... if those stories don't drive up traffic or sales they become less "front page" worthy.

But they do drive traffic and/or sales, just like democrats screaming about gun control drives gun sales.

 

[Vol8188]

By why not look at it geographically or by income levels? Why specifically racial demographic data?

Guns aren't essential at all, your subjective stance on that topic isn't useful. You can get to the grocery store without a gun, you don't need it with you to take a family vacation to the beach.

Because it’s only racial data that shows a major discrepancy. It’s unfortunate but true. Gun laws stricter or looser are not correlated with homicide rates. What is, sadly, is race.

The majority of all homicides are committed by black Americans despite owning less firearms, living disproportionately in areas with stricter gun laws, and only making up roughly 12-13% of the population

 

[GroverCleveland]

Now that hurts the liberals.

Below the belt isn't it?

 

[VolStrom]

Below the belt isn't it?

Someone has to speak the truth.