AJ, Sapp, and O'Brien involved in altercation. (Rumor/Speculation)

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WoodsmanVol said:
Being well aware of what happened when Katrina hit New Orleans, having been on rideouts with Arizona, California, and Nevada police and sheriff deputies, I have a healthy respect for the job cops do. And awareness of the utterly, incredible, evil, and even stupid people they deal with all too often. Seems those kinds come out in force at night. One cop told me full moon nights are the worst. I can't vouch for that but he swore on it. So Vols4us, there's a lot of your post I feel forced to agree with because it's factual.

However, the other side of the coin is factual also. There are too many hoodlums with a uniform and badge that I have experienced or seen in action directly and either read news or watched news reports about. I believe these bad ones are the reason why distrust is so prevalent in certain communities and people. These days you don't really have to be a minority to be a target of uniformed punks. I call them punks because I've had the privilege to see true professional police at work, even when they had to be badass, they never acted like a hoodlum themselves.

As for AJ, if our current info is accurate, I'm shocked he's not in jail. It isn't smart to resist arrest, quite dumb actually. Sounds like the cops were nicer than they should have been given the resistance claims. Hope he takes the experience to heart and not repeat the mess. Run with folks who know how to have fun without attracting trouble.
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I'll go you one further....from someone who knows...trust me....IF AJ and OBrien resisted much at all....they are VERY fortunate not to be in the hospital today....as big as they are...most good cops wouldn't take much before the submission would begin...SO...probably a lot of restraint showed by the cops....
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
You're arguing against a straw man. I'm not in favor of disarming anyone. The "liberals" aren't in favor of disarming anyone (at least not most of them). Fighting tooth and nail against background checks and waiting periods just makes you look extreme and unreasonable (I admit that this is also a bit of a straw man since you never mentioned your opinion on either thing).
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I have no issue with either

I do have issue with bans and registration. I also have issue with doctors and schools asking kids if their parents have guns
 
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I have no opinion about KPD as I've been around enough to know there are good and bad in all professions and walks of life, I get irritated to see the "racism" word tossed around like it is, not saying it doesn't exist, it surely does from all races....let's just look past all the politics and such and look at the fact. AJ is supposed to be the leader, the BMOC, the guy that leads and sets the example for this team, he failed. Sure they are college kids and should be able to have a good time, but no, they shouldn't do what a lot of college kids do, they have a responsibility higher than the average college student. That's just the way it is, and they know that.
 
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johndoevol said:
Thank goodness!:yes:



I prefer to err on the side of too much liberty, and not on the side of too much control.
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But only when it benefits you. You want the government to stay out of gun control and taxation, but at the same time you want the government to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Sorry for being so serious on a sports message board.
 
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bnhunt said:
But only when it benefits you. You want the government to stay out of gun control and taxation, but at the same time you want the government to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Sorry for being so serious on a sports message board.
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Nope, I want the goverment out of peoples life's if at all possible, I advocate personal reponsability first and foremost.:hi:
 
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bnhunt said:
But only when it benefits you. You want the government to stay out of gun control and taxation, but at the same time you want the government to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Sorry for being so serious on a sports message board.
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You know that if a man kills a woman who is pregnant, he is charged with two counts of murder
 
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bnhunt said:
But only when it benefits you. You want the government to stay out of gun control and taxation, but at the same time you want the government to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Sorry for being so serious on a sports message board.
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Its not her own body, its her living body connected to another living body. If a woman wants to have a 3rd arm attached to her back, then so be it - that's her own body. But a living body with a heartbeat inside her is not just her body, it's someone elses.
 
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fade route said:
Its not her own body, its her living body connected to another living body. If a woman wants to have a 3rd arm attached to her back, then so be it - that's her own body. But a living body with a heartbeat inside her is not just her body, it's someone elses.
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We don't agree on much, we certainly agree on this.
 
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johndoevol said:
Thank goodness!:yes:



I prefer to err on the side of too much liberty, and not on the side of too much control.
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Well, shoot! Arm everybody and let's go back to the wild west days. After the shooting is over, sit and wait for the Islamic extremists, Chinese or Russians to come over and take over a very divided and diminished in population America. Sounds 'bout right.
 
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fade route said:
Its not her own body, its her living body connected to another living body. If a woman wants to have a 3rd arm attached to her back, then so be it - that's her own body. But a living body with a heartbeat inside her is not just her body, it's someone elses.
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If your wife was pregnant and you were told that she would die if she had the baby I'm not sure you would be sitting quite so high atop your moral high horse.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Well, shoot! Arm everybody and let's go back to the wild west days. After the shooting is over, sit and wait for the Islamic extremists, Chinese or Russians to come over and take over a very divided and diminished in population America. Sounds 'bout right.
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Study some history and you will find that the "wild west" was not really that wild, people know how to organize themselves without a central goverment telling them what to do with every little detail about their life. Sorry for liking freedom too much . :)
 
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fade route said:
Criminals who commit crimes with guns are never subjected to background checks and waiting periods, only law abiding citzens. That's what gets people who are pro 2nd ammendment bent out of shape.
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That's often brought up. I find it very hard to believe that every single gun crime ever was committed using a stolen gun. The argument that "criminals will get guns no matter what the law is so why not just let them buy them legally with no restrictions" is crazy. If you prevent or deter even 1 death, isn't it worth it? Is convenience in the gun purchasing process THAT important?

I find it hard to say that my convenience is worth more than potentially the life of another American.
 
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aredfox28 said:
Lol.. I'm gonna prove to you how much of a moron and sheep you are.....lets just say.... we make up a name, lets go with zoltare, now, put zoltare in the bible over jesus' s name.. and go preach it...you'll be in the nut house quicker than sh!t.. there is no god, no Jesus, or whatever higher powr you think there is... morons....
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No doubt , you're a godless liberal (sarcasm) !
 
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bnhunt said:
If your wife was pregnant and you were told that she would die if she had the baby I'm not sure you would be sitting quite so high atop your moral high horse.
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You know that is a extremely rare situation, are we to make policy based in very rare ocurrances?
 
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tennrich1 said:
I'll go you one further....from someone who knows...trust me....IF AJ and OBrien resisted much at all....they are VERY fortunate not to be in the hospital today....as big as they are...most good cops wouldn't take much before the submission would begin...SO...probably a lot of restraint showed by the cops....
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That's why I said it isn't smart to resist arrest, I've seen what happens too on my rideouts. One guy even had his head slammed onto the cruiser car so hard if it had been a tad harder there would have been a crater instead of a really big dent. He deserved it, they were too nice to him if you ask me but he was determined to be a stupid and combative jerk. At the booking he wanted me to state about his brutal treatment. My response was, "Oh, you mean when you jumped up and crash landed your head on Officer ****'s car?" Cussed me out big time all the way to the holding room.
 
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bnhunt said:
If your wife was pregnant and you were told that she would die if she had the baby I'm not sure you would be sitting quite so high atop your moral high horse.
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Good one..I'm waiting for that response
 
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you guys do realize that presenting false ID to an officer is termed "Resisting Arrest".. right?

That's what O'Brien did and likely all that will come is a bunch of running, an apology, and some extra work after school for these 2. I am extra hard on the players when off the field, and even I think that this is much 'ado about nothing. A lesser offense than the Tyler Bray Beer Bottle incident IMHO.

EDIT: Oh and because VolNation hates me, i will cite my reference. Resisting arrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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orangeblood467 said:
I don't post often so ill say my piece and fade back into the viewing section.

I haven't read much but have already noticed several different versions of the incident. What is a common theme is the bashing of the police. Im am officer in middle Tennessee and don't know the reputation of UTKPD. But I ask you to put your self in the position of the police officers on scene. Again, I don't know the reason for the call but I assume it was a fight call. An officer arrived on scene and he has a group of football players that have been drinking and in a fight. Im a little dude compared to these guys so some might go into handcuffs if no one is cooperating and if I am out numbered. At least until I feel the situation is under control.
As far as the charges, I personally believe the resisting arrest charge is often misused. Yes, passive resistance is still resisting. But if I was being arrested I probably would give you the business too. Also, it is a college party. Of course there is going to be drinking and possibly minors there. Unless someone is physically injured or a property crime has occurred then I would've had them close down shop and call it a night. Im a training officer and stress to new recruits that we are only here to enforce criminal laws (some at our discretion) and to serve the public. Never are we to make anything personal and always remain professional. Unfortunately, there are a limited few that abuse their authority and walk a thin line on violating people's rights. These people seem to overshadow the good of law enforcement.
Due to the nature of the call and the people involved, supervisors were probably on scene. Officers then made LAWFUL arrest in fear that they would be reprimanded by their superiors for being lenient towards ut football players. Regardless, the officers made a decision and the defendants will have their time in court.
I just ask that you put yourself in the shoes of the police before bashing them. Ultimately, these are pretty minor charges and to be expected at a college. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. If there were no injuries or property crime, I personally would've looked the other way and asked for the party to shut down. Orange tinted sun glasses or not. Apologize for rambling along. Ill head back to the viewing section. GO VOLS!
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Top notch post here and spot on. I agree. Instead of TASERS Pulled and aiming hard - I think 'closing down shop' would have made much more sense. 'Here to enforce criminal laws (some at our discretion) and to serve the public,' maybe the locals in Knox County need some training visits from you. This is now however NATION-WIDE news. Close Down Shop sure sounds like a better solution to me too.
 
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So many different arguments going on. What's your thoughts on legalizing marijuana?



Adding fuel to the tangent fire!
 
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