Alabama fan fired after tweeting he was 'glad' receiver struck female Tennessee fan

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Carp said:
Again, I understand why a company makes the decision to fire him. What I don't agree with, is people actively trying to get him fired.
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I don't agree with the bold either but I do understand why he was fired, I would have fired him myself. People need to start minding their own business.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Can I just make a suggestion to say, the company might have wanted to let him go anyway, and this was just the opportunity. Also that if he had been a key valued employee they likely would have just buried it and at most smacked his keyboard hand? In any case he showed poor judgement I wouldn't trust him to work for me either.
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Hard to bury the stupidity of an Account Executive. He is one of the public faces of the company.
 
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Cancel culture is stupid.

But maybe don’t be celebrating an NCAA athlete smacking a college girl?

The guy doesn’t deserve to lose his job but he is an asshat.
 
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I don't think that society has completely figured out social media quite yet.

While I agree that those who seek out and link controversial social media posts to the poster's employer is a pretty sad life, the poster is responsible for his comments.

If a story came out that a Walmart employee was fired for regularly espousing controversial topics to customers in the store, no one would even think about the "fairness" of it. If the same person was heard espousing those views at a cookout in his or her's own backyard and those statements were passed along to the employer and he or she was then fired, I think most of us would be outraged.

So which is social media? The store or your backyard? I would suggest it's somewhere in the middle but probably much closer to the store. People need to figure that out.
 
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Kristy* said:
What about disclaimers? "The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent." What he said was stupid. He wasn't representing his company when he said it. He didn't post it on a company forum. It was on a personal account.

I guess I'm not a fan of canceling people. We've all done and said stupid stuff. Give him a chance to apologize, grow, and move forward.
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If he didn't list his employer on his social media accounts he might have had a leg to stand on with such an argument, but when you list your employer, anything you say on that page should be viewed as a potential reflection on your employer. Most folks never had to worry about this sort of thing because they weren't in the public eye, but the more pervasive social media becomes, they more common this sort of issue will be.

I hate for anyone to lose their job, and in the pic I saw of this man he appeared to be a few years older than me. If that's the case, he's likely done in his field, and his age will work against him in finding something new unless a small company will take a chance on him or not pick up on this issue. He's paying a steep price for being too loose in a public forum, but I guarantee I would be fired had I written what he did.
 
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Carp said:
The N word (which he didn't actually use the full word), was a quote from Blazing Saddles. Unless I missed where he said it somewhere else. Though in this world of PC and wokeness, I certainly understand how quoting that particular line in the movie would be seen as faux pas (even though the movie was a satire about racism in Old West movies).

Again, I understand why a company makes the decision to fire him. What I don't agree with, is people actively trying to get him fired.
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I can understand that. I don't like people doxing people, but that's been going on for a while now and if you are going to talk sh!te in a public forum, well... then be prepared for the consequences.

Quoting Blazing Saddles is a copout. It's not that hard to comprehend: If you are of a certain complexion, using the N-word (no matter the context) is a quick way to get fired. I know some people will be like "well they say it all the time" or whatever, but being that guy because he/she is too stubborn to realize the connotations and history that word comes with... Let me put it this way... I thought Blazing Saddles was hilarious when I saw it back in the day, but I'm also smart enough not to quote it publicly because even if I didn't mean any harm by it, it's still extremely hurtful to a lot of people, and would associate me with racism. You got to be understanding, if not sensitive, to other people... in conclusion, don't say that word unless you are either a racist, ignorant, or just plain too stupid to realize that you will be judged harshly.
 
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So, let me get this straight. A D1 athlete "supposedly" hit a female while running on the field and some asshat from Bama said he hoped she got her head knocked off AND idiots actually condone this? WTF!
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Doesn't matter where it came from, if you repeat it means you like it, and condone what it implies.
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It actuality did matter since it was a satirical attack on racism. Are you saying I shouldn't condone what it implies? Wouldn't that actually make me a racist?
 
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perico said:
I can understand that. I don't like people doxing people, but that's been going on for a while now and if you are going to talk sh!te in a public forum, well... then be prepared for the consequences.

Quoting Blazing Saddles is a copout. It's not that hard to comprehend: If you are of a certain complexion, using the N-word (no matter the context) is a quick way to get fired. I know some people will be like "well they say it all the time" or whatever, but being that guy because he/she is too stubborn to realize the connotations and history that word comes with... Let me put it this way... I thought Blazing Saddles was hilarious when I saw it back in the day, but I'm also smart enough not to quote it publicly because even if I didn't mean any harm by it, it's still extremely hurtful to a lot of people, and would associate me with racism. You got to be understanding, if not sensitive, to other people... in conclusion, don't say that word unless you are either a racist, ignorant, or just plain too stupid to realize that you will be judged harshly.
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I recently posted a photo showing my legs, boots and the television with Blazing Saddles in the background and said it was my favorite comedy. I added that too many people missed who was actually being ridiculed.
 
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volman128 said:
If 'free speech' protected people from getting fired you'd see retail workers cussing out rude customers without fear of losing their jobs. BTW, all states besides Montana are at-will employment states, although most states have exemptions for public sector, union and contract jobs and obvious stuff like someone getting fired just before they get their retirement, being fired because of your race, gender, etc. (protected class status), or someone being fired because they won't break the law. Still, some states, such as Alabama, have no exemptions on the books, although some instances are federally protected.
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There’s a big difference between doing something on the clock and off the clock. When did my perfectly legal actions in my personal life become my employer’s business? I’ve long had a problem with this. This is a slippery slope that we’re adding grease to on a daily basis. Did this guy say something stupid? Damn right he did. Thousands if not millions died to make sure he had the right to say it. Policing language is just the beginning. Look at history.
 
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BigNasty said:
There’s a big difference between doing something on the clock and off the clock. When did my perfectly legal actions in my personal life become my employer’s business? I’ve long had a problem with this. This is a slippery slope that we’re adding grease to on a daily basis. Did this guy say something stupid? Damn right he did. Thousands if not millions died to make sure he had the right to say it. Policing language is just the beginning. Look at history.
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You're confusing free speech (1A) with speech free of consequences. If the government went after this guy I'd hope everyone would be up in arms over it, his employer has the right to terminate an employee that embarrasses them. Nobody died to protect your speech from your employer.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
When you announce to every stranger in the room who your employer is.
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I disagree. If I wasn’t on the clock and not breaking the law it’s none of my employer’s business what I do or say. This is still America where I may disagree with what you say but I’ll fight to the death to make sure you have the right to say it.
 
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BigNasty said:
I disagree. If I wasn’t on the clock and not breaking the law it’s none of my employer’s business what I do or say. This is still America where I may disagree with what you say but I’ll fight to the death to make sure you have the right to say it.
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It is if you go out of your way to say... "Oh, and BTW, this is where I work" while you're doing it
 
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hog88 said:
You're confusing free speech (1A) with speech free of consequences. If the government went after this guy I'd hope everyone would be up in arms over it, his employer has the right to terminate an employee that embarrasses them. Nobody died to protect your speech from your employer.
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I’m not confused at all. His employer does have that right. They also have the right to fire you if let’s say your pro life. Pro choice. Republican. Democrat. That’s the slippery slope to which I speak.
 
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BigNasty said:
I disagree. If I wasn’t on the clock and not breaking the law it’s none of my employer’s business what I do or say. This is still America where I may disagree with what you say but I’ll fight to the death to make sure you have the right to say it.
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You have the right to say anything you wish, you do not have a right to a job.
 
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BigNasty said:
I’m not confused at all. His employer does have that right. They also have the right to fire you if let’s say your pro life. Pro choice. Republican. Democrat. That’s the slippery slope to which I speak.
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It's not a slippery slope. It typically only effects dumb people or those that cannot control their emotions.
 
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Volmac2022 said:
Geeze people these days are so soft and companies are so afraid of the cry baby movements its ridiculous. If I owned that company I'd laugh and say what is Twitter and why should I care.
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No. That idiot could have cost that company thousands of dollars in revenue by his affiliation.

Make him a public example probably made them more money.
 
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BigNasty said:
I disagree. If I wasn’t on the clock and not breaking the law it’s none of my employer’s business what I do or say. This is still America where I may disagree with what you say but I’ll fight to the death to make sure you have the right to say it.
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Of course you have the right to say it, but if you say it, you are responsible for it.

A hypothetical:

The political divisiveness in this country is pretty high and lots of folks are hypersensitive to it. Most people have a side they prefer. Doesn't matter which one. A plausible scenario:

I have a tree service. I prune and remove trees. As a business owner, I want your business. I don't care who you vote for. If you need a tree cut down, I'm your guy.

So, one of my employees post some politically charged message on TikTok while wearing a T-shirt he was given that features my company logo. As a result, I suddenly have a back lash of negativity regarding my business and have alienated about half of the potential customers in my market. The employee's actions have damaged my business. I see no issues with terminating that employee.
 
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