Alabama fan fired after tweeting he was 'glad' receiver struck female Tennessee fan

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VOLtaism said:
No, lets just take his job away, possibly his house, car and make his family suffer. Was our corporation harmed, no, better safe than sorry. thats a lot of power to be wielding around. What if they decide people who discuss issues on message boards should be fired? People who watch porn online or people who are have different views on climate change. Where do you draw the line?
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He was an Account Executive, that was his title so it’s very possible the company was being harmed. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if some clients threatened to pull their business.
 
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Kristy* said:
What about disclaimers? "The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent." What he said was stupid. He wasn't representing his company when he said it. He didn't post it on a company forum. It was on a personal account.

I guess I'm not a fan of canceling people. We've all done and said stupid stuff. Give him a chance to apologize, grow, and move forward.
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I’m not about cancel culture either, but I disagree that he wasn’t representing his company. In my company, and I suspect his as well, there is a code of conduct that is part of my employment. I have yearly training that is mandatory. These are pretty standard these days and extend beyond the workplace.

For all we know, he was posting from a company phone or computer.

I do agree that I hope he has a chance to learn and grow from this and is afforded a second chance. That’s mostly up to him though.
 
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17Vols said:
I’m still hung up on the part about a bama fan actually having a job
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Well, he was a native Tennessean. Sounds like maybe he has a good work ethic and a few screws loose. That would explain having a good job along with being a Bama fan and posting really stupid comments.
 
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Just a final thought from me on the mob aspect-

Clearly it raises a lot of issues that our society has not properly adapted to. Reasonable people can agree that there were a few lines crossed that are uncomfortable.

Some will defend his speech but not the speech of the people who contacted his company and not freedom of association for his company. It’s a tricky situation for sure.

But if this guy was in a public space and advocated for violence against a woman (a vol fan no less) within earshot of everybody that has posted in this forum, I’d be interested to see the response.

There is a bit of tribalism in effect because this was one of our own, maybe even a member of this board, that he was advocating violence against.

Can you be surprised that the vol twitterverse pounced?
 
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utvolpj said:
He answered a question - what is the funniest line in blazing saddles? Quoted it exactly. What is the intent?
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Honestly? I think his choice of funniest line is suspect, personally....

There are many, many, funnier lines than that in my humble opinion.....
 
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Dude needs to enter rehab, come out wearing Orange and White, claiming his devotion to Bama and comments were all due to drug induced stupor, all will be forgiven and HR will be forced to rehire him.
 
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hog88 said:
He was an Account Executive, that was his title so it’s very possible the company was being harmed. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if some clients threatened to pull their business.
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I just don't like the randomness of this, does he have a history of this type behavior, was he drinking, was it taken out of context, did he apologize. I think I would want to know a lot more before I fired someone for an online comment. He was judged, convicted and sentence carried out with no hearing or chance to speak. This is just an ass**le being an ass**hole, no one was injured.
 
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VOLtaism said:
I just don't like the randomness of this, does he have a history of this type behavior, was he drinking, was it taken out of context, did he apologize. I think I would want to know a lot more before I fired someone for an online comment. He was judged, convicted and sentence carried out with no hearing or chance to speak. This is just an ass**le being an ass**hole, no one was injured.
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Again, we don't know if the company was injured (threatened with loss of business) or not. Heck, you could consider the public embarrassment injury enough.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
I think it was in the Old Testament when Jezebel was thrown out a window to her death. ;)
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She was indeed, now, do you know the circumstances under which this was done? This doesn't justify open season on abusing women, just in case some nitwit sees it that, it does no such thing. But one should be well aware of what led to Jez-baby being window tossed.

And while I'm at it, ole Jez, flies into the face of those who make the abolitionist claim that a man shouldn't lay his hands on a woman for ANY reason. I don't condone hitting women, too many protoplasmic things that call themselves men, who wantonly, and even brag about hitting a woman, some even so hard she loses consciousness. I'd be in favor of dragging or luring those things off to some secluded spot and [I'll stop here so I don't say something that gets me banned.]. However, there are some cases where women are just as bad as men and must be stopped, sometimes by law enforcement, as I have seen. I've seen women beating her kid so hard she bled and could no longer stand. Then shot the guy who tried to stop the beating. On an old TV program called, I think, The Mother Love Show, an episode about domestic abuse was aired. Of course, they focused on male abuse of females. The sole guy on stage who was a victim, they gave 25 seconded of mention, then returned to extended talk about bad men abusing women. But let's get back to the guy, which they didn't. His girlfriend (by her own admission) wrongly accused him of cheating on her. IIRC, he had met with his half-sister or a cousin at a restaurant. Something about her wanting his advice about what to do about her son who was using drugs. Anyway, the angry girlfriend waited until he was asleep, heated a skillet of hot oil and poured it on his face. Blinded him in one eye. My point is, the abolitionist claim of never for any reason is absurd. There are times and circumstances when a person, male or female, has to be stopped. Naturally, this doesn't apply to what that Burton thing did to that gal.
 
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rltw1974 said:
Weak move by the company, but that is how soft our society has gotten! What the guy said was distasteful but he don’t deserve to lose his livelihood.

This country better hope we never get invaded by one of the big 3 because they will roll thru us like Moses thru the Red Sea! The only advantage the U.S. has is technology.
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I have to wonder if this was the first, or only, offense by this guy. It might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
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GreyhoundMan said:
I have to wonder if this was the first, or only, offense by this guy. It might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
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I already had to walk back my comments that he probably should not have been fired, but as another poster pointed out pages back the guy evidently dropped the n-bomb on social media as well. So yeah he more than likely needed to go as his social media history is problematic.
 
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Curious to see the player’s punishment vs some guy who stated an opinion. Seems the action should be treated worse than a verbal reaction.

Edit: I have no problem with the guy losing his job. Freedom of speech does not come with freedom from consequence.
 
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His linkedin profile states he is an Account Executive at Kele, Inc. At the same time, it says he is a store manager for Autozone. Maybe he had two jobs, so faced with this he just resigned. The only thing said was he and Kele parted ways. I've seen no confirmation he was fired.
 
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BigNasty said:
There’s a big difference between doing something on the clock and off the clock. When did my perfectly legal actions in my personal life become my employer’s business? I’ve long had a problem with this. This is a slippery slope that we’re adding grease to on a daily basis. Did this guy say something stupid? Damn right he did. Thousands if not millions died to make sure he had the right to say it. Policing language is just the beginning. Look at history.
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Nice goal post move. People get fired for stupid crap they post on social media all the time. It's not a First Amendment issue because we live in an at-will employment society and what he did wouldn't fall under protected class discrimination. Get over it.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
You think I'm comparing the two? Do you not understand what a slippery slope is?
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Do you understand what a non-sequitur is? Bible verses have nothing to do with what happened, not to mention firing someone for posting Bible verses actually WOULD be protected under the law, as religion is a protected class under federal law, as would quoting the Quran, the Torah or any other religious scripture, BTW.
 
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I'm a big supporter of UT but I totally disagree with this decision. We have all said things that we shouldn't, (at work). He wasn't threatening anyone at work, he was frustrated his team lost. If we bless these kind of actions, the government and companies are going to control alot more of our lives than we want.
 
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BigNasty said:
I’m not confused at all. His employer does have that right. They also have the right to fire you if let’s say your pro life. Pro choice. Republican. Democrat. That’s the slippery slope to which I speak.
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Where's the slippery slope? That's already legal and it already happens. Slippery slope implies it may happen in the future. You don't think people have been fired for posting MAGA stuff? Pro-BLM stuff? Anti-police stuff? There's a reason why people shouldn't talk politics/ideology at work. There's also a reason why people should keep their social media anonymous and/or private and don't add your superiors to your social media, or your coworkers unless you're actual friends, too. If you're going to post inflammatory stuff online you do it anonymously. This is simple common sense.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Of course you have the right to say it, but if you say it, you are responsible for it.

A hypothetical:

The political divisiveness in this country is pretty high and lots of folks are hypersensitive to it. Most people have a side they prefer. Doesn't matter which one. A plausible scenario:

I have a tree service. I prune and remove trees. As a business owner, I want your business. I don't care who you vote for. If you need a tree cut down, I'm your guy.

So, one of my employees post some politically charged message on TikTok while wearing a T-shirt he was given that features my company logo. As a result, I suddenly have a back lash of negativity regarding my business and have alienated about half of the potential customers in my market. The employee's actions have damaged my business. I see no issues with terminating that employee.
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I see your point. In that I instance there is an argument to let the employee go. The problem is that in today’s society you get canned regardless of the shirt you’re wearing. It’s a terrible precedent.
 
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volman128 said:
Where's the slippery slope? That's already legal and it already happens. Slippery slope implies it may happen in the future. You don't think people have been fired for posting MAGA stuff? Pro-BLM stuff? Anti-police stuff? There's a reason why people shouldn't talk politics/ideology at work. There's also a reason why people should keep their social media anonymous and/or private and don't add your superiors to your social media, or your coworkers unless you're actual friends, too. If you're going to post inflammatory stuff online you do it anonymously. This is simple common sense.
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My entire point is that if I am not on the clock or in any way affiliating with my employer that as long as I’m not breaking the law what I do or say so long as it in no way affects my performance on the job in non of their freaking business. I don’t expect you of anyone on this board to agree with me. It’s just how I see it and fully admit could be way off base.
 
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