Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

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#253
#253
DarthVisor said:
We aren't selecting for good football. We are selecting who is most deserving. That team is OSU.
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That team is both of them.

The fact that this argument is in existence, and the fact that both have legitimate points, is proof of how bad the BCS sucks.
 
#257
#257
The system is pretty bad this year. Bama and OSU both have lost one. Bama lost to a better team, LSU, who played their way into the championship game by beating Bama. The OSU v. LSU game would be more a interesting game.

Edit: I guess it really does come down to rules about how the money is distributed.
 
#258
#258
bleedorange0037 said:
Yes, by some people they are being penalized. They are up for judgement against a team with an equal record that has an infinitely worse loss, and many are saying that team should still be chosen ahead of Bama simply because they won their conference and Bama didn't. How is that not penalizing Bama for playing in the same division as LSU?
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and OSU is up for judgement for having better wins.
 
#260
#260
DarthVisor said:
Alabama maybe better than OSU, but we have to go on what we know.

Here is what we know:
OSU has beat more ranked teams.
OSU has beat more teams with a winning record.
OSU won their conference.
OSU lost at Iowa State.
Alabama lost at home to LSU.

Alabama had it's chance. Sorry.
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Home loss to LSU ∞> Losing to Iowa State at any location

I can't understand why you don't recongnize that. OK St. had a much easier path to "take care of business", yet blew it with that loss. When you're choosing between two teams who failed to get it done in the regular season, it would seem to me you have to select the one who failed to get it done only against the best team in the nation over the one who choked against a worthless team in the bottom of the Big XII.
 
#262
#262
DarthVisor said:
Alabama maybe better than OSU, but we have to go on what we know.

Here is what we know:
OSU has beat more ranked teams.
OSU has beat more teams with a winning record.
OSU won their conference.
OSU lost at Iowa State.
Alabama lost at home to LSU.

Alabama had it's chance. Sorry.
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You forgot to mention that the Iowa State loss is unforgivable... Sorry.
 
#263
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bleedorange0037 said:
Home loss to LSU ∞> Losing to Iowa State at any location

I can't understand why you don't recongnize that. OK St. had a much easier path to "take care of business", yet blew it with that loss. When you're choosing between two teams who failed to get it done in the regular season, it would seem to me you have to select the one who failed to get it done only against the best team in the nation over the one who choked against a worthless team in the bottom of the Big XII.
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This
 
#264
#264
The way I see it, if Bama goes to the title game, Oklahoma State would have a reason to complain. They didn't get a shot and their only loss was the same day those coaches died. I don't know how much that actually would have affected them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in their heads. They also won their conference and their win over Oklahoma was at least as impressive as any Bama win, if not moreso.

If Oklahoma State goes to the title game, I feel like Bama really has nothing to complain about.
 
#265
#265
3L with debt said:
You forgot to mention that the Iowa State loss is unforgivable... Sorry.
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It's no more unforgivable than Alabama's loss. A loss is a loss. This 'their loss is a better loss' argument is trash. There is no such thing.as a good loss.

bleedorange0037 said:
Home loss to LSU ∞> Losing to Iowa State at any location

I can't understand why you don't recongnize that. OK St. had a much easier path to "take care of business", yet blew it with that loss. When you're choosing between two teams who failed to get it done in the regular season, it would seem to me you have to select the one who failed to get it done only against the best team in the nation over the one who choked against a worthless team in the bottom of the Big XII.
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See above.
 
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#266
#266
Alabama's only crutch is OSU's loss at ISU. Aside from that, if you compare botg resume's, there is no question who should go. OSU has beat more ranked teams, more teams with a winning record, and I think they have a tougher SOS? Please. Alabama had their shot.
 
#267
#267
DarthVisor said:
Alabama's only crutch is OSU's loss at ISU. Aside from that, if you compare botg resume's, there is no question who should go. OSU has beat more ranked teams, more teams with a winning record, and I think they have a tougher SOS? Please. Alabama had their shot.
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Again, so did Oklahoma State.

It doesn't matter what you want. In the end, they have the same record. Neither of them should have lost a game if they didn't want this to be so controversial. It's that simple.

They both lost a game, so neither can really argue if they get left out. They should have just won.

The easiest path to the title is usually by --surprise-- winning all of your games (though this is not always the case).
 
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#268
#268
tvolsfan said:
The way I see it, if Bama goes to the title game, Oklahoma State would have a reason to complain. They didn't get a shot and their only loss was the same day those coaches died. .
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What if Bama is picked and Oklahoma State loses in the Fiesta bowl to Stanford? Does OSU still have an argument over Stanford?
 
#269
#269
How is OSU more deserving? They didn't face nearly the kind of regular season grind that Bama faced.
 
#271
#271
DarthVisor said:
We aren't selecting for good football. We are selecting who is most deserving. That team is OSU.
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Of course we are not, thus stop discussing OSU as an option. My goodness, ISU would not score that many points on Bama if they play three games and you took the cumulative total. You lose to ISU, then too bad for you.
 
#272
#272
DarthVisor said:
It's no more unforgivable than Alabama's loss. A loss is a loss. This 'their loss is a better loss' argument is trash. There is no such thing.as a good loss.



See above.
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I agree with this, but even within the set of "losses" there is still such a thing as a "bad loss". Losing to the #1 team in the nation is not a "bad loss". Losing a a perennial bottom feeder in the Big XII is.

I think you're going to find that you are on a lonely island when it comes to your opinion that losing to LSU is equivalent to losing to Iowa St.
 
#273
#273
rockytop9808 said:
Again, so did Oklahoma State.

It doesn't matter what you want. In the end, they have the same record. Neither of them should have lost a game if they didn't want this to be so controversial. It's that simple.

They both lost a game, so neither can really argue if they get left out. They should have just won.

The easiest path to the title is usually by --surprise-- winning all of your games (though this is not always the case).
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I agree that they both should have won, but OSU won their conference and they have a better resume. They have more of an argument than Alabama does.
 
#275
#275
lylsmorr said:
How is OSU more deserving? They didn't face nearly the kind of regular season grind that Bama faced.
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How do you figure? They have a tougher SOS with more wins over Top 25 teams.

Other than beating Arky what are the big wins for Bama? Penn St.? Miss St.? Fla? Auburn? UT? Ole Miss? Vandy? Kent St.? Ga. Southern? North Texas?
 
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