Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

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#126
#126
DarthVisor said:
They had a bad loss; that does not mean they should be kept from the BCS NC. They have a better resume, AND they won their division. A rematch isn't fair to OSU, and it's not fair to LSU. LSU beat Alabama at Alabama. They have nothing more to prove against them.
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No they don't. Alabama has a lot of solid wins and didn't lose to a single team that they were better than. OK St. also has a lot of solid wins, but has one TERRIBLE loss to Iowa St. Ok St. wouldn't have won their conference either had the #1 team in the nation been playing in it. How is it fair to Alabama to penalize them for playing in the same conference and division as the best team in the country?
 
#127
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Looks like the BCS is going to piss off and alienate a lot of fans if they give Alabama a rematch. Alabama deserves it more than Oklahoma State but I'm pulling for State. If the BCS cares about the fans(which I'm guessing they don't), they'll give Alabama the shaft.
 
#128
#128
bleedorange0037 said:
No they don't. Alabama has a lot of solid wins and didn't lose to a single team that they were better than. OK St. also has a lot of solid wins, but has one TERRIBLE loss to Iowa St. Ok St. wouldn't have won their conference either had the #1 team in the nation been playing in it. How is it fair to Alabama to penalize them for playing in the same conference and division as the best team in the country?
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Oklahoma State has defeated seven teams with winning records. Alabama has defeated three.

Oklahoma State has defeated five BCS Top 25 teams. Alabama has defeated two.

Sorry, but that looks like a better resume to me. Oh, and OSU won their conference.
 
#129
#129
Just from a fan perspective, I can't understand why people would rather watch LSU lay an anitclimatic 30+ point beatdown on OK St. than they would watch an LSU/Bama rematch. That game was EPIC the first time they played, and I would think fans would want to see a close game like that again.
 
#130
#130
DarthVisor said:
Penn State would beat TU, aTm, and OU? You're out of your damn mind. Then again, you said Ole Miss would have a winning record in the Big 12.
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if not for the ****storm they went through the last month they would of been at least in the Big 10 title game; if not Big 10 champs.

The Big 10 is better than the Big 12, they play a thing called defense. Penn State & Arkansas were top 10 teams this year Alabama just happened to catch them at the wrong time.
 
#131
#131
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Minus the fact that they also beat Penn State.

9-3 Penn State
9-3 Oklahoma
7-5 Auburn
7-5 Texas
6-6 Florida
6-6 Vanderbilt
6-6 Miss St
6-6 Texas A&M

Not sure how those teams are better than all of Bama's wins. Pretty much equal if you add in Kansas State and Baylor. But the difference is, Alabama lost to a 13-0 team while Oklahoma St lost to a 6-6 team. Also, Bama won @ Penn State, Auburn and Florida. Oklahoma State played Baylor, Kansas State and Oklahoma at home. Their loss came on the road in Ames, Iowa.

Fwiw, I want Oklahoma State to go over Bama but I don't know how you got that Oklahoma, Texas and A&M are better than Alabama's wins.
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I was looking at the teams ranking at the time the games were played. Baylor, Kstate, and OU were top 10 when they were beaten correct? Not sure about Baylor.
 
#132
#132
DarthVisor said:
Oklahoma State has defeated seven teams with winning records. Alabama has defeated three.

Oklahoma State has defeated five BCS Top 25 teams. Alabama has defeated two.

Sorry, but that looks like a better resume to me. Oh, and OSU won their conference.
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Again, how can you penalize Alabama for being in the same division as the #1 team? Oklahoma St. wouldn't have won their conference either had LSU been playing in it. At the end of the day, one team lost to #1 LSU, one team lost to unranked Iowa St. That should be more than enough to remove OK St from any consideration.
 
#133
#133
PowerT83 said:
if not for the ****storm they went through the last month they would of been at least in the Big 10 title game; if not Big 10 champs.

The Big 10 is better than the Big 12, they play a thing called defense. Penn State & Arkansas were top 10 teams this year Alabama just happened to catch them at the wrong time.
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We can make that same argument for OSU losing to ISU. They had a pretty shatty day leasing up to the game in Iowa.
 
#134
#134
DarthVisor said:
Oklahoma State has defeated seven teams with winning records. Alabama has defeated three.

Oklahoma State has defeated five BCS Top 25 teams. Alabama has defeated two.

Sorry, but that looks like a better resume to me. Oh, and OSU won their conference.
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Alabama would have won that conference too.

I honestly think that's one of the worst arguments in this whole debate. Alabama is punished because they play in the same division as LSU. That makes no freaking sense. I live in Iowa and I'm telling you... it doesn't get much worse than Iowa State. Losing to Iowa State is as bad as losing to Kentucky. We know Tennessee sucks... what's Oklahoma State's excuse?

I hate that I have to defend Bama when I want Oklahoma State but the "not winning your conference" argument doesn't fly with me.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I was looking at the teams ranking at the time the games were played. Baylor, Kstate, and OU were top 10 when they were beaten correct? Not sure about Baylor.
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Yeah, that's what you were looking at. I'm not sure beating #8 A&M means much though when they ended up at 6-6.
 
#136
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bleedorange0037 said:
Again, how can you penalize Alabama for being in the same division as the #1 team? Oklahoma St. wouldn't have won their conference either had LSU been playing in it. At the end of the day, one team lost to #1 LSU, one team lost to unranked Iowa St. That should be more than enough to remove OK St from any consideration.
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Agreed.
 
#138
#138
bleedorange0037 said:
Again, how can you penalize Alabama for being in the same division as the #1 team? Oklahoma St. wouldn't have won their conference either had LSU been playing in it. At the end of the day, one team lost to #1 LSU, one team lost to unranked Iowa St. That should be more than enough to remove OK St from any consideration.
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You can do hypotheticals all day long. OSU got it done, and Alabama didn't. It's OSU's turn.
 
#139
#139
bleedorange0037 said:
Just from a fan perspective, I can't understand why people would rather watch LSU lay an anitclimatic 30+ point beatdown on OK St. than they would watch an LSU/Bama rematch. That game was EPIC the first time they played, and I would think fans would want to see a close game like that again.
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Rematches of teams from epic games also turn out to be beatdowns...quite a lot. (when game 1 is close game 2 has shown a slight more trend towards being one-sided or a blowout,with the reverse also appearing about the same with if game 1 is one-sided, a lot of those rematches turn into much closer games...slightly more likely case is Alabama comes in - after all the mistakes they made last game - and beats LSU so badly as though it can erase the result of their first one)
 
#141
#141
DarthVisor said:
You can do hypotheticals all day long. OSU got it done, and Alabama didn't. It's OSU's turn.
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Well... that's what you're doing. Hypothetically you believe Oklahoma State should because they won their conference. So you're basing it on how you feel and not some rule that actually exists. Just because you say it doesn't make it true :p


For the record, would you say the Patriots and Giants shouldn't have played in the Super Bowl? Patriots already beat them at the end of the season. By your logic, the 18-0 Patriots should have been crowned without playing in the Super Bowl. Giants had their chance and blew it.
 
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#142
#142
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I was looking at the teams ranking at the time the games were played. Baylor, Kstate, and OU were top 10 when they were beaten correct? Not sure about Baylor.
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Was mizzou ranked at the time? I know they are now.


I'm not sure if there's a few more he left off there or not, some opponents seem to be missing
 
#143
#143
DarthVisor said:
You can do hypotheticals all day long. OSU got it done, and Alabama didn't. It's OSU's turn.
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You're right, they sure got it done against Iowa St. That's no hypothetical. Let me repeat that again just in case you forgot or never knew, THEY LOST TO IOWA FREAKING STATE.
 
#144
#144
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Alabama would have won that conference too.

I honestly think that's one of the worst arguments in this whole debate. Alabama is punished because they play in the same division as LSU. That makes no freaking sense. I live in Iowa and I'm telling you... it doesn't get much worse than Iowa State. Losing to Iowa State is as bad as losing to Kentucky. We know Tennessee sucks... what's Oklahoma State's excuse?

I hate that I have to defend Bama when I want Oklahoma State but the "not winning your conference" argument doesn't fly with me.
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It makes perdect sense. Alabama wasn't good enough to wjn the SEC. Is OSU? Maybe not, but Alabama had their chance at home on national TV. If they can't get it done there, what makes you think they can get it done in New Orleans? Besides, OSU did what they needed to do, and Alabama didn't.
 
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#145
I also like the stance that LSU has already proven everything it needs to prove. So, there need not be a title game. From a LSU point of view, what else do they really have left to prove? That they can beat Bama again?
 
#146
#146
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Well... that's what you're doing. Hypothetically you believe Oklahoma State should because they won their conference. So you're basing it on how you feel and not some rule that actually exists. Just because you say it doesn't make it true :p


For the record, would you say the Patriots and Giants shouldn't have played in the Super Bowl? Patriots already beat them at the end of the season. Patriots were 18-0, should have just crowned them the champions since nobody could beat them including the Giants.
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In reverse, alot of you are throwing out the hypothetical that Oklahoma state gets blown out by LSU and treating it as a certainty
 
#148
#148
If people would put aside their personal fan bias towards UT and against Alabama for one minute and look at this objectively, it's obvious who the better team is. Blatantly obvious.
 
#149
#149
DarthVisor said:
It makes perdect sense. Alabama wasn't good enough to wjn the SEC. Is OSU? Maybe not, but Alabama had their chance at home on national TV. If they can't get it done there, what makes you think they can get it done in New Orleans? Besides, OSU did what they needed to do, and Alabama didn't.
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If Oklahoma State can't beat a 6-6 team, what makes you think they can beat a 13-0 team?

See how that works...

I saw LSU tied at the end of regulation against Alabama. That's how I know Alabama has a chance to beat them.

And you saying OSU did what they needed to and Alabama didn't, makes no sense. What does that even mean? You seem to be hanging your hat on repeating that. I have no clue what that means in your mind.
 
#150
#150
TrueOrange said:
Rematches of teams from epic games also turn out to be beatdowns...quite a lot. (when game 1 is close game 2 has shown a slight more trend towards being one-sided or a blowout,with the reverse also appearing about the same with if game 1 is one-sided, a lot of those rematches turn into much closer games...slightly more likely case is Alabama comes in - after all the mistakes they made last game - and beats LSU so badly as though it can erase the result of their first one)
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With these two defenses I really don't see how one can assume it's gonna be a blowout unless Bama is stealing textbooks again
 
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