Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

Alabama or OSU in the BCSCG?

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#153
#153
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Well... that's what you're doing. Hypothetically you believe Oklahoma State should because they won their conference. So you're basing it on how you feel and not some rule that actually exists. Just because you say it doesn't make it true :p


For the record, would you say the Patriots and Giants shouldn't have played in the Super Bowl? Patriots already beat them at the end of the season. By your logic, the 18-0 Patriots should have been crowned without playing in the Super Bowl. Giants had their chance and blew it.
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The NFL is a different animal. They have a playoff, we don't. If we had a playoff, I woyld be fine with a rematch, because that means Alabama earned it. They haven't earned jt here. Also, I don't think OSU should be in there just because that's how I feel. OSU actually has a better resume.

bleedorange0037 said:
You're right, they sure got it done against Iowa St. That's no hypothetical. Let me repeat that again just in case you forgot or never knew, THEY LOST TO IOWA FREAKING STATE.
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Your point? Alabama lost to LSU at home. They had their chance.
 
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DarthVisor said:
It makes perdect sense. Alabama wasn't good enough to wjn the SEC. Is OSU? Maybe not, but Alabama had their chance at home on national TV. If they can't get it done there, what makes you think they can get it done in New Orleans? Besides, OSU did what they needed to do, and Alabama didn't.
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Again, please explain for all of us what part of losing to Iowa St. is "doing what they needed to do".
 
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TrueOrange said:
In reverse, alot of you are throwing out the hypothetical that Oklahoma state gets blown out by LSU and treating it as a certainty
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Well it's all hypothetical. He brought it up for whatever reason as if it made his argument better.

Plus, I never said Oklahoma State would get blown out.

I want Oklahoma State to go and I'll be happy if they do. But I can't find any reasonable argument of why they should actually go over Alabama.

So basically, I'm on both sides of the fence. Logically, Alabama should get the nod in my opinion but the fan in me wants Oklahoma State.
 
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DarthVisor said:
Your point? Alabama lost to LSU at home. They had their chance.
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So did OK St. It's called don't choke on an epic scale in Ames. If not for that, Alabama would have no reasonable argument. Instead, Chokie St. did lose and are now at the mercy of people comparing whether they think Bama is better than them.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
If Oklahoma State can't beat a 6-6 team, what makes you think they can beat a 13-0 team?

See how that works...

I saw LSU tied at the end of regulation against Alabama. That's how I know Alabama has a chance to beat them.

And you saying OSU did what they needed to and Alabama didn't,
makes no sense. What does that even mean? You seem to be hanging your hat on repeating that. I have no clue what that means in your mind.
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I am repeating it because people are having a hard time getting it. OSU won their conference. The loss to ISU sucks, but who cares? The same people making your argument about ISU are the same people that were for LSU in 07 even though they lost to UK.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Well it's all hypothetical. He brought it up for whatever reason as if it made his argument better.

Plus, I never said Oklahoma State would get blown out.

I want Oklahoma State to go and I'll be happy if they do. But I can't find any reasonable argument of why they should actually go over Alabama.

So basically, I'm on both sides of the fence. Logically, Alabama should get the nod in my opinion but the fan in me wants Oklahoma State.
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They beat more ranked teams than Bama, what is so hard to understand about that? They beat more teams with winning records than Bama did, they won their conference championship, Bama did not. Again, whats so hard about that.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Well it's all hypothetical. He brought it up for whatever reason as if it made his argument better.

Plus, I never said Oklahoma State would get blown out.

I want Oklahoma State to go and I'll be happy if they do. But I can't find any reasonable argument of why they should actually go over Alabama.

So basically, I'm on both sides of the fence. Logically, Alabama should get the nod in my opinion but the fan in me wants Oklahoma State.
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I take that back... I can find one reasonable argument.

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It appears to be what the fans want. Aside from that though, I would take what Alabama did on the field over what Oklahoma State did. Unfortunately...
 
#162
#162
Everybody so desperately wants a playoff or a plus one. In this case, there already was a plus one. It was when Alabama played LSU. Bama lost. Now it's time for LSU's next opponent.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Again, how can you penalize Alabama for being in the same division as the #1 team? Oklahoma St. wouldn't have won their conference either had LSU been playing in it. At the end of the day, one team lost to #1 LSU, one team lost to unranked Iowa St. That should be more than enough to remove OK St from any consideration.
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Were they penalized? It seems they had a direct chance to play the #1 team (& then in this case take their spot) in the country that most of the other teams couldn't get.



You're making it sound like Alabama is a 12-4 NFL team getting left out due to a 16-0 team that they didn't even play or something
 
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TrueOrange said:
Were they penalized? It seems they had a direct chance to play the #1 team (& then in this case take their spot) in the country that most of the other teams couldn't get.
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Yes, by some people they are being penalized. They are up for judgement against a team with an equal record that has an infinitely worse loss, and many are saying that team should still be chosen ahead of Bama simply because they won their conference and Bama didn't. How is that not penalizing Bama for playing in the same division as LSU?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Yes, by some people they are being penalized. They are up for judgement against a team with an equal record that has an infinitely worse loss, and many are saying that team should still be chosen ahead of Bama simply because they won their conference and Bama didn't. How is that not penalizing Bama for playing in the same division as LSU?
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Exactly
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Yes, by some people they are being penalized. They are up for judgement against a team with an equal record that has an infinitely worse loss, and many are saying that team should still be chosen ahead of Bama simply because they won theiYr conference and Bama didn't. How is that not penalizing Bama for playing in the same division as LSU?
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If Alabama had taken care of business against LSU, this wouldn't be an issue for them. As it stands, they had a shot against LSU, and blew it.
 
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DarthVisor said:
I am repeating it because people are having a hard time getting it. OSU won their conference. The loss to ISU sucks, but who cares? The same people making your argument about ISU are the same people that were for LSU in 07 even though they lost to UK.
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Didn't everyone have like two losses though? I don't remember who the other two loss teams were or who they lost to.

I get what you're saying but like I said... I just flat out don't care that Oklahoma State won their conference. It has no bearing on my opinion and it seems as though there is no rule saying you have to win it to go to the championship. If there was a rule against it, then I have no choice but to except that argument. Since it's not, I don't. Not just because it's not a rule but because I don't agree with Alabama being punished for playing in the same division as the only undefeated team in the country.

What would you have said if Oregon won their conference with their only loss coming to LSU? Now you're just eliminating them because they already played LSU? That's still a better loss than Iowa State AND they won their conference. You're going to punish Oregon because they decided to play a quality opponent out of conference? Powerhouse teams should just spread out into other conferences and not schedule quality OOC opponents if they are going to be punished.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Yes, by some people they are being penalized. They are up for judgement against a team with an equal record that has an infinitely worse loss, and many are saying that team should still be chosen ahead of Bama simply because they won their conference and Bama didn't. How is that not penalizing Bama for playing in the same division as LSU?
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That is not the only reason. OSU has better wins than Bama does do not let that fact escape.
 
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Would everybody be ok with OSU going to the NC if they had beating ISU? They still wouldn't be "better" than Alabama in most people's eyes.

If resumes mean nothing, then we should just get rid of rankings and strictly use the eyeball test.
 
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PowerT83 said:
With these two defenses I really don't see how one can assume it's gonna be a blowout unless Bama is stealing textbooks again
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Bama made tons and tons of miscues, mistakes, bad play calls late, and bad throws on offense (heck, on the picked halfback pass the announcers pointed out was quite well underthrown)

This is the kind of "chip on shoulder" game where that kind of alternative is well within range of likely occurrence. (in bama's case of team like trying to prove a point either everything clicks and it looks like the machine wasn't oiled last game or they get too overly aggressive and start making more costly mistakes)
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Would everybody be ok with OSU going to the NC if they had beating ISU? They still wouldn't be "better" than Alabama in most people's eyes.

If resumes mean nothing, then we should just get rid of rankings and strictly use the eyeball test.
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They didn't beat ISU though. That's the point... every game counts.

Alabama didn't come close to losing to a 6-6 team. Aside from LSU who they took to overtime, they didn't come close to losing to anybody. The closest anyone came to beating Alabama was 17 points
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Would everybody be ok with OSU going to the NC if they had beating ISU? They still wouldn't be "better" than Alabama in most people's eyes.

If resumes mean nothing, then we should just get rid of rankings and strictly use the eyeball test.
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I would. That's what "doing what you need to do" means. I would still think Bama is better, but by going unbeaten in a stong conference, OK St. would have earned their shot. Too bad they lost, and have an equal record with Bama, so now they have to be weighed against what we've seen from Bama.
 
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