Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[zaqhhh]

So your “NO DEBT” was paid by somebody else?

Depends on whether you say merit scholarships are personal earnings or not. I don't care what you call it, the point is this whole narrative of "you want everything free is BS." So many of the arguments I hear about free college (which by the way we have free 2-year now in TN anyways, thank your conservative government for that one) are "I made it through, why can't you?" which is wrong on so many levels. A. Every generation has complained about not having something that the next gets. B. Cost of Living and Tuition in proportion to average and minimum wages were much more comparable back in the 70s-80s. C. As evidenced by me, many who earn their way still see the need for free education (which is working so terribly in the countries that have implemented it)

 

[zaqhhh]

Hmm... you can also apply that to the left wing. Anything against their beliefs they turn into mobs over.. ya know.. Berkley.. Antifa.. just saying

The Left may get "triggered" and annoy you with commentary, but there is a reason that right wing terror attacks are easily the largest group of terror attacks in the US.

 

[hog88]

Hmm the tax rates of the 1930-1960s determined...that was a lie

Take a look at what the effective rates were then. Want to go back to the rates of the 50s and 60s fine as long as you put the same deductions back in place. Hell I’d join a country club again.

 

[C-south]

Depends on whether you say merit scholarships are personal earnings or not. I don't care what you call it, the point is this whole narrative of "you want everything free is BS." So many of the arguments I hear about free college (which by the way we have free 2-year now in TN anyways, thank your conservative government for that one) are "I made it through, why can't you?" which is wrong on so many levels. A. Every generation has complained about not having something that the next gets. B. Cost of Living and Tuition in proportion to average and minimum wages were much more comparable back in the 70s-80s. C. As evidenced by me, many who earn their way still see the need for free education (which is working so terribly in the countries that have implemented it)

It was a yes or no answer. The answer was yes. I only ask because you have brought it up multiple times. Everyone would be debt free if they didn’t have to actually pay for anything.

 

[1972 Grad]

Take a look at what the effective rates were then. Want to go back to the rates of the 50s and 60s fine as long as you put the same deductions back in place. Hell I’d join a country club again.

Correct. Nobody paid anywhere near the 90% top rate with all the deductions then.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

My first manager gig paid me $35,500 a year right out of college. Probably 15 years ago. I thought I was in the money. Spent a year sleeping on a blow up mattress in my apartment.

I just love going down wonderful memory lane when we were younger..

 

[zaqhhh]

Take a look at what the effective rates were then. Want to go back to the rates of the 50s and 60s fine as long as you put the same deductions back in place. Hell I’d join a country club again.

Even taking that into account, the average tax rates for the highest earners were still 15% higher in the 1950s and 25% higher in the late 1930s.

 

[hog88]

So let them die... Yay free market. I love how I didn't even provide that as a choice (figured no one could possibly choose that). You found a way to surprise me...I thought I had given you little enough credit but apparently you need subzero.

I believe in freedom and that means nobody should be forced to provide services to someone unable to pay. Should mechanics, plumbers, Uber drivers ext be forced to provide services to those who can’t pay and up charge their services to cover the costs? Or should the gov subsidize their losses through our taxes?

 

[hog88]

I'd be dead, then. My family probably wouldn't be too happy.

Maybe and maybe not. Someone might have provided you treatment pro bono, maybe a charity would have stepped in.

 

[zaqhhh]

It was a yes or no answer. The answer was yes. I only ask because you have brought it up multiple times. Everyone would be debt free if they didn’t have to actually pay for anything.

What exactly is your point though? I am not saying no one should pay for anything. What I am saying is in the richest country in the history of the world, why can we not afford basic healthcare and education rights that other nations achieve and some quite easily.

Also, why are countries not rushing to adopt the free market, "no money, you die" model?

 

[zaqhhh]

Maybe and maybe not. Someone might have provided you treatment pro bono, maybe a charity would have stepped in.

50/50 coin flip on life. Charity might help, if not tough luck. I'm sure you are a pro-lifer as well.

 

[C-south]

I believe in freedom and that means nobody should be forced to provide services to someone unable to pay. Should mechanics, plumbers, Uber drivers ext be forced to provide services to those who can’t pay and up charge their services to cover the costs? Or should the gov subsidize their losses through our taxes?

Neither?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't think you understand what her constituency consists of. She would be reelected easily if she ran (I doubt there would even be a primary challenge - and that's all that matters). I do think she will be fielding offers from television and will accept one of them. Your bar tending comment does reveal resentment, which I alluded to earlier.

No my bar tending comment does not reveal resentment stop assuming you know what the hell im thinking. That’s about all she’s demonstrated she’s capable of. Your continued misdiagnosis of what other people are thinking clearly indicates you merely have no damn idea what they are really thinking. Nothing more nothing less.

Go do some reading. She pissed off a bunch of Crowley followers including a family member. If she survives the primary yes should would be re-elected. But she has to survive the primary.

 

[zaqhhh]

I believe in freedom and that means nobody should be forced to provide services to someone unable to pay. Should mechanics, plumbers, Uber drivers ext be forced to provide services to those who can’t pay and up charge their services to cover the costs? Or should the gov subsidize their losses through our taxes?

Do you not see any difference in the services being provided? The role of government is a spectrum! Do I think we need government to ensure everyone's toilets aren't clogged? No. Do I think government has an obligation to ensure that people have healthcare, otherwise they die? Absolutely.

It astounds me that anyone even the most ardent libertarian could disagree with that.

 

[hog88]

Even taking that into account, the average tax rates for the highest earners were still 15% higher in the 1950s and 25% higher in the late 1930s.

And there was no capitol gains taxes along with several hundred other nickel and dime taxes we pay today. Also what happened in the late 20s through the 30s.

 

[zaqhhh]

And there was no capitol gains taxes along with several hundred other nickel and dime taxes we pay today. Also what happened in the late 20s through the 30s.

So, its okay to jack up rates after a depression/recession?

 

[hog88]

50/50 coin flip on life. Charity might help, if not tough luck. I'm sure you are a pro-lifer as well.

I am, I’m against the death penalty.

 

[zaqhhh]

I am, I’m against the death penalty.

Really was a rhetorical question. When you made the comment, I knew you had to be pro-life. Way too much hypocrisy to be otherwise.

 

[hog88]

Do you not see any difference in the services being provided? The role of government is a spectrum! Do I think we need government to ensure everyone's toilets aren't clogged? No. Do I think government has an obligation to ensure that people have healthcare, otherwise they die? Absolutely.

It astounds me that anyone even the most ardent libertarian could disagree with that.

The government provides nothing, we the taxpayers provide. But that is a different argument.

Right now we the customer pays for uncollected medical debt because providers are forced to serve others that cannot pay.

 

[hog88]

Really was a rhetorical question. When you made the comment, I knew you had to be pro-life. Way too much hypocrisy to be otherwise.

I’m in no way hypocritical, I don’t believe in abortion but am against outlawing it completely. I think we need to work on making adoption more affordable. I’m also against the death penalty in any case until we have a 100% foolproof and equitable justice system. And that’s not happening.

 

[C-south]

What exactly is your point though? I am not saying no one should pay for anything. What I am saying is in the richest country in the history of the world, why can we not afford basic healthcare and education rights that other nations achieve and some quite easily.

Also, why are countries not rushing to adopt the free market, "no money, you die" model?

The places you speak of are not utopias. Far from it actually. Everyone has an opportunity to achieve everything you listed and just because life is easier for some it doesn’t mean you deserve anything they have. If this place was so bad we wouldn’t have an immigration crisis and everyone who said they’d leave when Trump was elected would be gone. There’s not enough adjectives to describe how ignorant and stupid this representive you love is and how utterly absurd her new policy is. According to her people who are unwilling to do anything to support themselves will still be supported. Sometimes you have to wish Darwinism was more prevalent.

 

[hog88]

So, its okay to jack up rates after a depression/recession?

Where did I say that?

 

[zaqhhh]

The government provides nothing, we the taxpayers provide. But that is a different argument.

Right now we the customer pays for uncollected medical debt because providers are forced to serve others that cannot pay.

Never said taxpayers didn't. I am all for paying more in taxes if it means that we have national insurance and free college (which of course wouldn't be of use to me after its implemented).

Honestly, I generally post that there are only two real solutions. Have everyone insured or the ones who can't afford it die. Generally, amongst college conservatives they admit that we have to have national insurance. I forget that you aren't some horrific unicorn, people who think the poor should just die do exist.

 

[zaqhhh]

The places you speak of are not utopias. Far from it actually. Everyone has an opportunity to achieve everything you listed and just because life is easier for some it doesn’t mean you deserve anything they have. If this place was so bad we wouldn’t have an immigration crisis and everyone who said they’d leave when Trump was elected would be gone. There’s not enough adjectives to describe how ignorant and stupid this representive you love is and how utterly absurd her new policy is. According to her people who are unwilling to do anything to support themselves will still be supported. Sometimes you have to wish Darwinism was more prevalent.

There it is! Social Darwinism argument. Called it. Let's just kill the disabled and weak while we are at it. and you as the big strong man (probably an incel, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) can prosper!

 

[zaqhhh]

Where did I say that?

You made a point about the high rates being after the depression, I assumed that was your point. I really hope you aren't trying to make the point that the new services provided by the New Deal were wrong, though at this point I sorta know you are.