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Stew Cook said:
So, suddenly you take issue with the process..

If you ask for like three recounts in the same states, of course they will still be counting ballots.

But I do agree that top Trump donor/alleged campaign finance fraud conspirator, Louis DeJoy should have never been appointed head of the USPS.

I think we have some common ground here to move forward in our quest in understanding which deliberate actions have created this distrust.
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Huh? Yes I do take issue with our idiot election process taking a month to finish counting ballots. And no this isn’t all driven by requesting recounts that’s bull ****.
 
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#34,677
Velo Vol said:
They wouldn't stay in business long with that success rate. Is there a single tangible thing they've achieved that has improved Trump's vote disposition?
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No. But it’s more than just the success rate. I think somebody posted some tweets that it’s hard to really put into words or describe to a layperson how bad this is.

Like ok, the typos, yeesh. That’s unprofessional. You lose credibility with that many mistakes. The filing errors like filing their MI in DC claims court kind of fall under this.

There is a disconnect between the relief sought and the problem in some of these cases.

Some of the issues of standing are really really obvious.

They’ve appealed things that the appellate court didn’t even have jurisdiction to hear (slowing down their case which is about to be mooted this week or next).

They have filed in courts that didn’t have jurisdiction.

Then there’s this idea that “well we’ll just win at the Supreme Court.

The way that appellate litigation works is that there is usually an agreed upon set of facts. Like for some motions to dismiss the parties temporarily agree to view the plaintiff’s facts in the light most favorable to the plaintiff, that’s where a lot of SCOTUS decisions come from. “Under these facts, what is the law?” Like the Bostock case from this last term where the SCOTUS applied the civil rights act to discrimination against homosexuals. That was decided on the basis of the facts as pled by the plaintiff. He can still lose at trial. These jackasses are trying to use TRO denials and other things to appeal and at least two courts have explained to them that their facts are not agreed upon and deciding what facts go up on appeal is a function of the trial court. Like you have to put on evidence and the judge decides what the facts are. That’s like fundamentals of appellate litigation.

On balance, the whole thing is like showing up to the Tour de France with square tires, training wheels, and a mountain bike frame with no handlebars and asking to be allowed to compete without qualifying.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why should Confederate generals be remembered?
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I guess that should be answered on a case by case basis. I definitely don't think they should all be remembered, but Robert E Lee should definitely be remembered. He should be remembered for his career, his intellect, his diplomacy, and I think he should be recognized as a civil rights hero. This is lost in history, because he opposed the federal government, but he encouraged the confederacy to free the slaves. To him, the war had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. He freed his own slaves, before the emancipation proclamation. His army paid black soldiers equal to whites and they marched together. This was not the case in the Union. After the war, a freedman came to his episcopalian church and went up front to take the sacrament and it froze the congregation. Lee followed him and took the sacrament by his side, setting the precedent that this was OK. He also stopped a lynch mob from hanging a black man accused of rape. None of this is common knowledge because it doesn't fit the narrative, and then the people are appalled by the idea of remembering him.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I guess that should be answered on a case by case basis. I definitely don't think they should all be remembered, but Robert E Lee should definitely be remembered. He should be remembered for his career, his intellect, his diplomacy, and I think he should be recognized as a civil rights hero. This is lost in history, because he opposed the federal government, but he encouraged the confederacy to free the slaves. To him, the war had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. He freed his own slaves, before the emancipation proclamation. His army paid black soldiers equal to whites and they marched together. This was not the case in the Union. After the war, a freedman came to his episcopalian church and went up front to take the sacrament and it froze the congregation. Lee followed him and took the sacrament by his side, setting the precedent that this was OK. He also stopped a lynch mob from hanging a black man accused of rape. None of this is common knowledge because it doesn't fit the narrative, and then the people are appalled by the idea of remembering him.
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They ALL should be remembered the good and the bad. Lest we repeat history. We just don’t need to idolize them all.
 
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