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AM64 said:
There are monuments to civil war generals all over the country, and (from a quick search) several states have days honoring generals from their state. Some people actually celebrate or at least honor history; although revisionism and eradication of history is a popular sport these days. You see I can appreciate southern history even though one of my ancestors (directly up the paternal chain) was responsible for Grant attending West Point and another was a Lt Col in the Union Army. In fact, I know of several ancestors who fought for the Union and none who fought for the South, but I respect all who fought for both sides ... they stood for what they believed. Of course, many people can't understand that today because they judge the past by today's standards and let revisionists tell them how to think.
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I distinguish between people remembering the history and a (state) government honoring it.

Bill wants to put a Confederate flag in the cemetery to honor his ggg gradfather? Fine, whatever.

But don't fly the Confederate flag above your capitol, Mississippi.
 
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luthervol said:
The big difference is he knows that what he did was wrong, stupid, and an embarrassment and that his constituents hate it and are disappointed, whereas the repubs are doing it proudly while they are in office to the delight of their constituents.
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I'm still not sure how embarrassed he actually was. But he quickly figured out he had to repent to stay in office.
 
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Burger said:
He's not up for reelection until 2024. He's keeping his job for awhile.
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I think he and Paul Ryan are carefully trying to rehabilitate themselves in anticipation of the day they no longer have to fear Trump. Cruz didn't bother to state that TX observes Confederate Memorial Day on January 19.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Heh.

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I agree that this is absolutely ridiculous. But I question why now for the outrage? Apparently this has been going on for awhile and is not new to this year or this governor, so why now?

However it plays out, apparently TN has to pass a law to end NBF day.
 
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Weezer said:
I agree that this is absolutely ridiculous. But I question why now for the outrage? Apparently this has been going on for awhile and is not new to this year or this governor, so why now?

However it plays out, apparently TN has to pass a law to end NBF day.
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TN has quite the relationship with NBF. There's even a privately funded statue sitting next to a major interstate just South of Nashville. NBF's face was affixed to the exterior of MTSU's Commons building until it was removed in the early 90s. It's odd. But I never think about the man until he is discussed like he is here.
 
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McDad said:
TN has quite the relationship with NBF. There's even a privately funded statue sitting next to a major interstate just South of Nashville. NBF's face was affixed to the exterior of MTSU's Commons building until it was removed in the early 90s. It's odd. But I never think about the man until he is discussed like he is here.
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That very well may be the ugliest statue I have ever seen. You can tell it was erected as an "in your face" gesture. I had no idea who it was; now it' even uglier.
 
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luthervol said:
That very well may be the ugliest statue I have ever seen. You can tell it was erected as an "in your face" gesture. I had no idea who it was; now it' even uglier.
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It's fallen into disrepair. I think it also gets vandalized frequently. I also think Davidson Co is attempting to allow the brush/trees to grow and create a barrier. I passed it today and didn't even take notice.
 
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Weezer said:
I agree that this is absolutely ridiculous. But I question why now for the outrage? Apparently this has been going on for awhile and is not new to this year or this governor, so why now?

However it plays out, apparently TN has to pass a law to end NBF day.
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Maybe those people are like me and were completely unaware that Tennessee had such a thing as "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day". It is definitely not common knowledge even among those of us who have always lived in this state.
 
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McDad said:
It's fallen into disrepair. I think it also gets vandalized frequently. I also think Davidson Co is attempting to allow the brush/trees to grow and create a barrier. I passed it today and didn't even take notice.
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Both my brothers and my mom live in the Franklin/Brentwood area so I see it every time I go home. (Next weekend)
 
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McDad said:
TN has quite the relationship with NBF. There's even a privately funded statue sitting next to a major interstate just South of Nashville. NBF's face was affixed to the exterior of MTSU's Commons building until it was removed in the early 90s. It's odd. But I never think about the man until he is discussed like he is here.
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Sherman told Grant that Forrest was "the most remarkable man our civil war produced on either side"; which was fairly remarkable since he had no military training.. Forrest's primary philosophy was simply "to get there first with the most men". He was originally from middle Tennessee, so not real surprising the MTSU connection. I read a biography a few years ago ... a very interesting character. Had Bragg listened to him about Chattanooga after Chickamauga, things might have gone very differently.
 
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Weezer said:
From what I understand, Forrest disavowed the Klan in later life. Does that in any way vindicate him?
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No, because he didn't disavow racism and prejudice-based hate. He disassociated from the Ku Klux Klan only because he considered them to be "ungovernable". Also, even putting his history with the KKK aside for a moment... he still seems unworthy of being honored. Read about the "Fort Pillow Massacre". And yes, I know that he tried to claim he was unaware of what was happening. BS.
 
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McDad said:
It's gotten to where i really dislike traveling up to Nashville. The traffic is getting worse each year. Mid Tn cannot keep up with the pace of our growth.
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Does this mean you are from middle TN. I'm near Chattanooga, and every time I drive down from Monteagle, I feel like I'm going home. I avoid Nashville like the plague and wish I could Chattanooga. I was driving back roads to connect the ends of 840 to avoid Nashville to get to 40 going west.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, because he didn't disavow racism and prejudice-based hate. He disassociated from the Ku Klux Klan only because he considered them to be "ungovernable". Also, even putting his history with the KKK aside for a moment... he still seems unworthy of being honored. Read about the "Fort Pillow Massacre". And yes, I am aware that he tried to claim he was unaware of what was happening. BS.
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Actually, he did.
 
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AM64 said:
Actually, he did.
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Not per anything which I have ever read... and it really doesn't matter anyway. I'm not arguing over this piece of garbage. This guy helped to propagate one of our oldest and most violent hate groups. Some mistakes in life, are not forgivable. We don't forgive Nazi party membership and we shouldn't forgive KKK membership either.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not per anything which I have ever read... and it really doesn't matter anyway. I'm not arguing over this piece of garbage. This guy helped to propagate one of our oldest and most violent hate groups. Some mistakes in life, are not forgivable. We don't forgive Nazi party membership and we shouldn't forgive KKK membership either.
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Read more; it's amazing how the picture fills in when you read about something from different perspectives. For instance, how many people do you suppose stop to think that American Indians practiced slavery in what is now the US long before the it was introduced into the colonies?
 
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AM64 said:
Read more; it's amazing how the picture fills in when you read about something from different perspectives. For instance, how many people do you suppose stop to think that American Indians practiced slavery in what is now the US long before the it was introduced into the colonies?
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I understand that some people will choose to view this guy's legacy as "complicated" and that's fine. I will still say that there are more deserving people than this to honor. This will only serve as a source of ridicule for the state of Tennessee and we don't need it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Maybe those people are like me and were completely unaware that Tennessee had such a thing as "Nathan Bedford Forrest Day". It is definitely not common knowledge even among those of us who have always lived in this state.
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I might have misunderstood, but I think this began in the early 1970's. I didn't know about it either, but apparently it's been around for decades.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, because he didn't disavow racism and prejudice-based hate. He disassociated from the Ku Klux Klan only because he considered them to be "ungovernable". Also, even putting his history with the KKK aside for a moment... he still seems unworthy of being honored. Read about the "Fort Pillow Massacre". And yes, I know that he tried to claim he was unaware of what was happening. BS.
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Lots of diverging stories. What I read says he did disavow racism. That he even offered to help fight those who were intimidating and killing black voters. And there are also conflicting stories about Fort Pillow. So who do you believe?

Another interesting tidbit about NBF, he was a Democrat. In some ways, he reminds me of Robert Byrd in that Byrd was a klansman who repented in later life. So is Byrd deserving of forgiveness?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not per anything which I have ever read... and it really doesn't matter anyway. I'm not arguing over this piece of garbage. This guy helped to propagate one of our oldest and most violent hate groups. Some mistakes in life, are not forgivable. We don't forgive Nazi party membership and we shouldn't forgive KKK membership either.
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But "we" did forgive Nazi party membership when it was beneficial to the USA.
 
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