Amazing how in one week

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I had a friend in high school who would talk about how beautiful this girls was, until she turned him down. Then, it was "she wasn't even that pretty, I didn't want her anyway, she couldn't recruit 5 stars"etc etc.

That sums up most fanbases. I agree with those who say Graham leaving wouldn't have been a big deal if not a former Vol. I love the guy and think he is a good coach and recruiter but for me, him being at UT was great due to nostalgia and wanting links to the past. I think most fans are like that and it makes perfect sense.I have no ill will towards the guy and I am not going to act like I am glad he left. However, we hired a very good coach imo. Fans on here were mad about Jones hiring Cincy and Central Michigan guys, then he hires a guy from Ok St, USC Jr, W. Va who was worked with 3 great offensive minds, and some still critique the hire. I would have liked Tim Spencer or the other guy who played for Michigan, but I like this hire very much too.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

Good ole Rocky top....
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i agree UT fans just don't see reality. some trying to say it was good jay left. it's almost funny. reality is jones is off to a bad start for what we have seen so far. he better win in the fall and improve his recruiting class there after or he won't be here long. have to keep moving to the top.
 
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champyvol said:
i agree UT fans just don't see reality. some trying to say it was good jay left. it's almost funny. reality is jones is off to a bad start for what we have seen so far. he better win in the fall and improve his recruiting class there after or he won't be here long. have to keep moving to the top.
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Give us your analysis as to what the dropoff will be from losing jg.
You said fans don't see reality. Here is your chance to explain the reality of the change.
 
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Jay Graham was a solid position coach, but an overrated recruiter. Hinshaw was the better recruiter on the old staff, and Jay was probably the fourth best recruiter on this new staff. Jay was also a big reason Neal started over Lane eventho Lane was the better back because of personal issues with Lane in his recruitment days.

This is only bad from perception. A former vol leaves less than 10 days before spring practice. If Graham wasn't a former vol, no one would be that upset.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Jay Graham was a solid position coach, but an overrated recruiter. Hinshaw was the better recruiter on the old staff, and Jay was probably the fourth best recruiter on this new staff. Jay was also a big reason Neal started over Lane eventho Lane was the better back because of personal issues with Lane in his recruitment days.

This is only bad from perception. A former vol leaves less than 10 days before spring practice. If Graham wasn't a former vol, no one would be that upset.
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Your last sentence is why this is a big deal to some. That's the reality of it, but makes too much sense and is too easily explained. Drama must me involved for some. Its a necessity
 
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tm3 said:
JG can't recruit

JG can't coach

JG sucks

which is why a better program with more money hired him away from UT
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fsu is a better program than Tennessee? :bs::bs::nono:::no1: Vols fans should never say such things. :rtfm:
 
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JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

Good ole Rocky top....
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We been into the corn.
 
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champyvol said:
i agree UT fans just don't see reality. some trying to say it was good jay left. it's almost funny. reality is jones is off to a bad start for what we have seen so far. he better win in the fall and improve his recruiting class there after or he won't be here long. have to keep moving to the top.
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This is what kills me about the FB forum these days. I don't know whether this new coach is an upgrade, downgrade or lateral move. What I do know is that even if we had replaced Graham with a high school coach from somewhere around Knoxville, there would be a segment of this forum that would think it was a good move "Because he WANTS to be here!" or some other sheepish reason. There are just some fans who for one reason or another refuse to actually weigh both sides of the issue and just blindly go along supporting each and every move the coach makes. That's how we had most of the fanbase supporting Dooley right up till mid-late October of last year.
 
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What kills me about the ff is that the same posters get pissed everytime someone posts something that's not negative. Positivity pisses some off. It takes both kinds. I'd rather be tired of the negative than pissed about the positive. Eryday.
Tee and jay hurt some posters feewings. Who cares.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
What kills me about the ff is that the same posters get pissed everytime someone posts something that's not negative. Positivity pisses some off. It takes both kinds. I'd rather be tired of the negative than pissed about the positive. Eryday.
Tee and jay hurt some posters feewings. Who cares.
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Some of it is just madness though. There are some people who were relentlessly positive over the past three years, all the while, there was literally nothing good that happened for our football program. I not saying people should be negative all the time, but it's frustrating to constantly see people who just have their heads buried in the sand. As of today, the football program is in pretty bad shape, and the light at the end of the tunnel is probably still a few years down the road.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Some of it is just madness though. There are some people who were relentlessly positive over the past three years, all the while, there was literally nothing good that happened for our football program. I not saying people should be negative all the time, but it's frustrating to constantly see people who just have their heads buried in the sand. As of today, the football program is in pretty bad shape, and the light at the end of the tunnel is probably still a few years down the road.
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Probably so. So dread it?, or approach it positively. I realize some go overboard, but does it really matter.
It's called hope and its as if some on here don't want others to have it. If it's a letdown, so what. I can handle it. Some can't, I suppose.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He coached in the same place Graham did and longer in the SEC. May wanna get your facts right before running your suck.
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compare these two histories:

Coach A: RB coach at South Carolina, Oklahoma State, West Virginia.

Coach B: RB coach at San Diego, UT-Chattanooga, UT-Martin, Miami (OH), South Carolina, Tennessee.

Looks like Coach A's resume is a bit better, objectively.

There is also some emerging data that suggests that no matter how good a school's facilities, tradition and recruiters are, that roughly 80% of the recruits they get will come from within a 180 mile radius. In fact, I read somewhere where the median range for UT's 2013 class was right at 180 miles.

The good news is that there is some really good talent within 180 miles of UT-Knoxville. We just need to focus 80% of our attention on getting every good player within that radius, and the 20% of the effort on cherry picking nationally.
 
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JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

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" Johnny Ball for President". I just saw this election slogan at the Gaymes Franklin center for kids who can't read good.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Some of it is just madness though. There are some people who were relentlessly positive over the past three years, all the while, there was literally nothing good that happened for our football program. I not saying people should be negative all the time, but it's frustrating to constantly see people who just have their heads buried in the sand. As of today, the football program is in pretty bad shape, and the light at the end of the tunnel is probably still a few years down the road.
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Overly positive bothers you? Good God.
 
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It may take a few years but gonna be a sweet ride getting better every year. Gillespie has good credentials. This was interesting to see Coach Jones respond to a curveball thrown at him by this circumstance. Good luck to Jay and welcome to Coach Gillespie, with good credentials, and a great recruiter also - exactly what we needed.... Looks like CBJ has made lemonade from the lemons that fell on him. GBO!!!
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Probably so. So dread it?, or approach it positively. I realize some go overboard, but does it really matter.
It's called hope and its as if some on here don't want others to have it. If it's a letdown, so what. I can handle it. Some can't, I suppose.
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I guess. I just feel like in some ways this "hope" leads people to have unrealistic expectations and puts a coaching staff who is already in a bad position in an even worse one. When people get their hopes up and do some mental gymnastics and talk themselves into the notion that a 10 win season is possible, when in reality, 6 wins this fall would be a HUGE accomplishment, then you've got people who are disappointed in spite of the fact that tangible progress was made. On the other hand, if people are realistic and go into the season knowing that UT is most likely a 5 win team, then anything above that is just icing on the cake. It's a lot like the deal at UF that Urban Meyer talked about when he left. When people have such outrageous expectations, then there isn't any room left to enjoy the wins (and in UT's case, progress).
 
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JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

Good ole Rocky top....
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So just what did you want Jones to do? Do we hire a coach who wants to be here, or do we simply continue to whine about a guy who took off as soon as he could to an easier job?

I'll take the ones who want to be here, and forget about those who don't.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I guess. I just feel like in some ways this "hope" leads people to have unrealistic expectations and puts a coaching staff who is already in a bad position in an even worse one. When people get their hopes up and do some mental gymnastics and talk themselves into the notion that a 10 win season is possible, when in reality, 6 wins this fall would be a HUGE accomplishment, then you've got people who are disappointed in spite of the fact that tangible progress was made. On the other hand, if people are realistic and go into the season knowing that UT is most likely a 5 win team, then anything above that is just icing on the cake. It's a lot like the deal at UF that Urban Meyer talked about when he left. When people have such outrageous expectations, then there isn't any room left to enjoy the wins (and in UT's case, progress).
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I think most fans have their priorities in enough order that they can have hope and get over a letdown because it is a football game. And the loudest fans at those times arent the ones that had hope anyway, they are the negative ones who want to say I told you so and throw it back in everyones face while patting themselves on the back. I have no respect for anyone like that.
I'm excited for a change. I'm excited Dooley is gone, Sal is gone, Chaney is gone, and honestly, that TB is gone. I'm excited to see what CBJ can do and like what he has tried to do so far. I want to see us play some football and expect improvement in succession in the next 3 years. Maybe accurate or not, but I think that the vast majority of our fanbase thinks the same way or very similar.
 
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sports, by their very nature, offer endless opportunities to slice and dice and reach completely different conclusions.

this is a football forum. everyone gets to post their opinion and let the discussion roll on.

imo what gets tiresome are the juvenile personal attacks at the slightest hint of disagreement, whether the position is positive or negative.
 
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tm3 said:
sports, by their very nature, offer endless opportunities to slice and dice and reach completely different conclusions.

this is a football forum. everyone gets to post their opinion and let the discussion roll on.

imo what gets tiresome are the juvenile personal attacks at the slightest hint of disagreement, whether the position is positive or negative.
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whatever *******, you're reading comprehension sucks
 
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