Amazing how in one week

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#77
JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

Good ole Rocky top....
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And I suppose the guy you wanted didn't get offered. Funny I bet your phone didn't ring either asking for your opinion! Please stop posting negative threads! New staff, new day, let's move on! This is a great hire. JG didn't want to be here! Maybe him and Sal had something so he followed him to FSU.

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Tennesseeduke
 
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#78
Cooleyvol said:
What's amazing is that we swapped Jay Graham, who didn't deliver one top RB to us this year for a Top 50 nationally ranked recruiter WITH Southern ties and you fail to acknowledge it.
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Totally agree. He got one last year and that one quit a few practices into the spring! Good riddance. JG was riding the coat tales of Marcus Lattimore at USCe. Got all the glory for recruiting him when Marcus's was going there anyway because he was a USCe fan! Gillispie's resume' is better and he's proven!

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Tennesseeduke
 
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JohnnyBall said:
The perception is all the sudden Jay Graham can't find his ass with both hands ,and another Big East wannabe coach gets a job here and becomes a Greek God...

Good ole Rocky top....
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Oh and by the way FSU owes UT $85,000 for taking JG. Great deal! IMO

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Tennesseeduke
 
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#81
so South Carolina, Oklahoma State and West Virginia are big east wanabees? haha youre an idiot
 
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#82
It's just really annoying that people won't give these coaches a chance because it's not Gruden or one of the other pipe dreams we had on here. When it comes right down to it we got a guy with a pretty good resume.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Give us your analysis as to what the dropoff will be from losing jg.
You said fans don't see reality. Here is your chance to explain the reality of the change.
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losing jay will not help in recruiting at all, all analyst believe it will hurt. volfans were raving about graham and the recruits he was bringing in. now the guy sucks. it's a shame anybody that knows anything about football would disagree. it looks bad one that he played at UT, two it hurts our recruiting considering he was our best or second best recruiter. all facts.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Jay Graham was a solid position coach, but an overrated recruiter. Hinshaw was the better recruiter on the old staff, and Jay was probably the fourth best recruiter on this new staff. Jay was also a big reason Neal started over Lane eventho Lane was the better back because of personal issues with Lane in his recruitment days.

This is only bad from perception. A former vol leaves less than 10 days before spring practice. If Graham wasn't a former vol, no one would be that upset.
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i disagree with 4th best recruiter, him and thigpen were better than anybody on the staff.
 
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champyvol said:
losing jay will not help in recruiting at all, all analyst believe it will hurt. volfans were raving about graham and the recruits he was bringing in. now the guy sucks. it's a shame anybody that knows anything about football would disagree. it looks bad one that he played at UT, two it hurts our recruiting considering he was our best or second best recruiter. all facts.
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I asked you what the dropoffs are from graham to Gillespie. Obviously, you don't have an answer. Coaching? Techniques? Work ethic? Experience? Energy? Relationships? Ties to areas? Which ones. You can't just say recruiting and throw a blanket statement.

You got your feelings hurt. That sums it up.
 
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#86
bleedorange0037 said:
This is what kills me about the FB forum these days. I don't know whether this new coach is an upgrade, downgrade or lateral move. What I do know is that even if we had replaced Graham with a high school coach from somewhere around Knoxville, there would be a segment of this forum that would think it was a good move "Because he WANTS to be here!" or some other sheepish reason. There are just some fans who for one reason or another refuse to actually weigh both sides of the issue and just blindly go along supporting each and every move the coach makes. That's how we had most of the fanbase supporting Dooley right up till mid-late October of last year.
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i couldn't agree more. atleast i admit i'm negative when it comes to the vols, but after the last 5 years hell just want to see anything good. to me 21 recruiting class and losing good recruiter is not a good start, and i'm tired of waiting till next year. seems like the tennessee theme these days, wait till next year. worked out well for dooley. jones maybe the answer he may win 8 games next year and pull in a top 10 class. i hope he does, but like i said before i wouldn't bet on it.
 
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champyvol said:
i disagree with 4th best recruiter, him and thigpen were better than anybody on the staff.
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I don't put much credence in who is the best recruiter. There is no way to know. It all depends on the recent success of the program, the perception of the program, and the proximity of the recruits to the school. If you will show me a recruiter who consistently recruits 4 and 5 star players from hundreds of miles away to a mediocre program, then I will change my mind.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I asked you what the dropoffs are from graham to Gillespie. Obviously, you don't have an answer. Coaching? Techniques? Work ethic? Experience? Energy? Relationships? Ties to areas? Which ones. You can't just say recruiting and throw a blanket statement.

You got your feelings hurt. That sums it up.
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recruiting doesn't mean anything ok i guess. tell that to satan miles and the rest of the sec crew.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't put much credence in who is the best recruiter. There is no way to know. It all depends on the recent success of the program, the perception of the program, and the proximity of the recruits to the school. If you will show me a recruiter who consistently recruits 4 and 5 star players from hundreds of miles away to a mediocre program, then I will change my mind.
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jay did well this year and we sucked. i was impressed with the effort.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Gillespie is as good, if not better, recruiter than jg. But that doesn't matter, does it.
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graham out recruited him on a team that sucked and had a new staff. enough said. i think most anybody except some volfans right now that have there feelings hurt would take jay over gillespie. not saying gillespie is a bad hire, just saying i don't think we are better off.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Gillespie is as good, if not better, recruiter than jg. But that doesn't matter, does it.
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He may or may not be . Generally speaking, it is far easier to sell a good product to a willing customer. Our product is a little shop worn at the moment, and the customers have not been too willing to relocate to Knoxville. I doubt that there will be a dropoff in either recruiting or coaching with the loss of Graham, and this is not a knock on him.

There are a lot of people who can coach running backs, and it is going to take a real salesman to get a top notch running back here until we show improvement, unless they grew up as a U.T. fan.
 
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#93
Some look forward, positively emphasizing the present and future.

Some look backward, emphasizing the failures.

The truth is that JG is both of the things he is accused of being. He was a valuable member of the coaching staff. New information emerged that said that for whatever reason he wanted to be somewhere else. The positive showed up to cheer him while here, and moved to RG when JG left. The negative obsess about the hiring of Butch and the loss of JG. It isn't complicated. Some just seek out the best news, other dwell on the worst.

Personally I find the forward looking people to be much more pleasant to be around, and I would dang near guarantee they are more successful in life. Keep pumping sunshine boys, the sunny days are far more pleasant than the thunderstorm the others bring.
 
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champyvol said:
i disagree with 4th best recruiter, him and thigpen were better than anybody on the staff.
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Willie Martinez and Zach azzani are better recruiters than graham. We had more success recruiting runningbacks with chino as our grad assistant than with graham as our rb coach. He is slightly over average when it comes to recruiting.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Willie Martinez and Zach azzani are better recruiters than graham. We had more success recruiting runningbacks with chino as our grad assistant than with graham as our rb coach. He is slightly over average when it comes to recruiting.
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most analyst disagree, running backs he didn't do well but he landed north miller ford harris and ferguson. take those guys away and we are around 50th in the rankings i disagree with martinez and azzaini. neither did much this year.
 
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#96
champyvol said:
most analyst disagree, running backs he didn't do well but he landed north miller ford harris and ferguson. take those guys away and we are around 50th in the rankings i disagree with martinez and azzaini. neither did much this year.
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they had 30 days Graham had over a year! and still didnt get any of the top backs he wanted
 
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#97
I'll take a wait and see approach with this whole staff,until we start winning on the field then I'll do the jig. I hope butch works out, but who knows nobody has a crystal ball.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
they had 30 days Graham had over a year! and still didnt get any of the top backs he wanted
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i knew somebody would come back with this. graham didn't know if he would have a job, new staff, horrible record and still done well. people can say what they want jay did well and i'm sure he will do well at FSU.
 
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champyvol said:
most analyst disagree, running backs he didn't do well but he landed north miller ford harris and ferguson. take those guys away and we are around 50th in the rankings i disagree with martinez and azzaini. neither did much this year.
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Martinez had our whole do class done in 2 weeks and azzani was huge in landing north also. The whole notion that one coach gets a recruit is false unless the coach is trooper Taylor. Hinshaw was huge in the Harris recruitment. Miller was recruited by the whole staff like every other recruit that was offered in the last 2 weeks. Azzani and thigpen were big contributors along with hinshaw as well in Norths recruitment.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Martinez had our whole do class done in 2 weeks and azzani was huge in landing north also. The whole notion that one coach gets a recruit is false unless the coach is trooper Taylor. Hinshaw was huge in the Harris recruitment. Miller was recruited by the whole staff like every other recruit that was offered in the last 2 weeks. Azzani and thigpen were big contributors along with hinshaw as well in Norths recruitment.
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i can agree with most of that. you listen to alot of the recruits they praised jay. i would take him over probably over every other position coach on the team. the main reason is that he played at neyland and knows what it is all about. you are saying he wasn't that good, i agree with the analyst he was that good. i don't see the argument that we are better off without him. doesn't make any sense.
 
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