America: The Future

#51
#51
The list grows long if you change your statement to this:

volfanjustin said:
The are social and fiscal conservatives and one can be both. What policy decisions would like to be implemented due to "government intervention on behalf of the Bible"?
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Which is the whole point of BPV's statement, at least the way I see it.
 
#52
#52
BigPapaVol said:
I didn't say you can't be both, even though the two positions are actually diametrically opposed. One asks for limited government and the other asks the government to proclaim for us right and wrong. Makes no sense.

The anti abortion movement is a Christian coalition backed movement asking the government to enforce biblical views. Calling it anything but is simply intellectually dishonest.
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The stem cell research issue is exhibit A. Roughly half of the country didn't want government funding of the research, but upwards of 70% thought the restrictions put forth by the Bush administration were too strict.
 
#53
#53
BigPapaVol said:
I didn't say you can't be both, even though the two positions are actually diametrically opposed. One asks for limited government and the other asks the government to proclaim for us right and wrong. Makes no sense.

The anti abortion movement is a Christian coalition backed movement asking the government to enforce biblical views. Calling it anything but is simply intellectually dishonest.
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But abortion is legal in every state at the drop of a hat, so again what law or laws have been implemented? Like I said earlier I am against it but think the states should decide these issues not 9 unaccountable judges.
 
#54
#54
volfanjustin said:
But abortion is legal in every state at the drop of a hat, so again what law or laws have been implemented? Like I said earlier I am against it but think the states should decide these issues not 9 unaccountable judges.
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I doubt you would be saying this had Roe v Wade gone the other way.
 
#55
#55
BigPapaVol said:
without a doubt. That's why I'd like to see the far right, social rulemakers find another schtick or shut their holes. Conservatism is about limited government, not government intervention on behalf of the Bible.
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I yield the remainder of my time to the honorable BMFPV
 
#56
#56
VolInMn said:
I was asking CV, but personally, I could care less who marries whom. It makes not one iota of a difference to me.

In most cases, I think abortion is a personal choice to be made between involved parties.
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Gay marraige-

Personally, it disgusts me, but it is not my say to tell someone else who they shall love.

Abortion-

Well, there are two ways I look at it. If you're a slut getting your weekend sex romp in and you want to use it as a way out of motherhood, then I have a big issue with it.
If its for medical reasons that will effect the life of the mother, then I am for it.

Again, my personal thoughts on a matter should not hinder someones right to self-expression or self-freedom.

What is good for one, may not be right for another!

Just as I dont tell Vegeterians that they cant eat carrots, in turn they should not be able to tell me to not eat beef.
 
#58
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CountVolcula said:
Gay marraige-

Personally, it disgusts me, but it is not my say to tell someone else who they shall love.

Abortion-

Well, there are two ways I look at it. If you're a slut getting your weekend sex romp in and you want to use it as a way out of motherhood, then I have a big issue with it.
If its for medical reasons that will effect the life of the mother, then I am for it.

Again, my personal thoughts on a matter should not hinder someones right to self-expression or self-freedom.

What is good for one, may not be right for another!

Just as I dont tell Vegeterians that they cant eat carrots, in turn they should not be able to tell me to not eat beef.
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Why should we get to decide who lives and who dies? Besides how often is this really even an issue?
 
#61
#61
rjd970 said:
The mother should have the freedom to.

And if not us that decides who lives and who doesn't, who exactly does?
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What about the father, what if he wanted his child? Why doesn't he have a say?

I believe God decides, I don't want man playing God.
 
#64
#64
CountVolcula said:
What if there is and you cant do anything about it because the means has been outlawed?
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Like I said, why should not decide who lives and who dies, how does someone decide who's life is of more value. Besides I have heard a medical professional speak on this issue and he said this is no longer as issue due to the advancements in medical technology. You and I both know that abortions are there for the crack whores who have sex with everyone the meet and then don't want to take responsibilty for their actions.
 
#65
#65
Abortion is one issue where I just don't see how people can be so for it or so against it.

I think it's one of the most complicated, difficult issues out there.
 
#66
#66
volfanjustin said:
What about the father, what if he wanted his child? Why doesn't he have a say?

I believe God decides, I don't want man playing God.
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Are we not playing God by telling others what they can or cannot do with their own bodies?

Again, we will all be judged for our sins and if we admit to those and ask for forgiveness, then we will be saved.
 
#67
#67
volfanjustin said:
Like I said, why should not decide who lives and who dies, how does someone decide who's life is of more value. Besides I have heard a medical professional speak on this issue and he said this is no longer as issue due to the advancements in medical technology. You and I both know that abortions are there for the crack whores who have sex with everyone the meet and then don't want to take responsibilty for their actions.
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True!!

But I don't want to outlaw something just because some idiots abuse it. The door needs to remain open in case the procedure is necessary.
 
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#69
#69
CountVolcula said:
Are we not playing God by telling others what they can or cannot do with their own bodies?

Again, we will all be judged for our sins and if we admit to those and ask for forgiveness, then we will be saved.
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I don't think so because the mother is no the only party in the matter, there is another life involved here and what about the father he may want his child and he has zero say in the matter, that is wrong.

Agreed
 
#70
#70
volfanjustin said:
I don't think so because the mother is no the only party in the matter, there is another life involved here and what about the father he may want his child and he has zero say in the matter, that is wrong.

Agreed
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Well!! I dont think its that easy

Until that baby is delivered and the cord is cut, then that baby is still part of the mother.

Only genetically, is the father attached to that child.

It could turn out to be one heck of a legal battle
 
#72
#72
CountVolcula said:
Well!! I dont think its that easy

Until that baby is delivered and the cord is cut, then that baby is still part of the mother.

Only genetically, is the father attached to that child.

It could turn out to be one heck of a legal battle
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I believe at conception its a life, I understand the baby has to live off of their mother.

Its a battle I wish we could have.
 
#74
#74
Lets get away from the abortion issues and back on the real problems at hand, which is the screwing we are taking from Washington everyday.
 
#75
#75
volfanjustin said:
Like I said, why should not decide who lives and who dies, how does someone decide who's life is of more value. Besides I have heard a medical professional speak on this issue and he said this is no longer as issue due to the advancements in medical technology. You and I both know that abortions are there for the crack whores who have sex with everyone the meet and then don't want to take responsibilty for their actions.
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Because that's what we need, more crack babies.
 
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