America: The Future

#77
#77
CountVolcula said:
Lets get away from the abortion issues and back on the real problems at hand, which is the screwing we are taking from Washington everyday.
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Sorry to get on that, I am just so passionate about it and when it was brought up I felt I had to respond.
 
#78
#78
volfanjustin said:
I believe at conception its a life, I understand the baby has to live off of their mother.
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so then every miscarriage is a life too and someone must pay in your mind? I'm guessing you don't call your god a killer for those "deaths"
 
#79
#79
I am compelled to point out that saying one doesn't want the federal government to decide something (abortion in this case), and thinks the states should decide isn't really changing the bottom line of government intervention. If one believes majority should always rule on a state level, that really isn't that much of a difference between saying majority should always rule on a national level. It really isn't an intellectually honest opinion.
 
#80
#80
volfanjustin said:
Its not the childs fault
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Issues like this is what has divided this countries attentions from Washington.

They keep us at odds with each other over issues such as abortion, race based issues,that we fail to see the true intent.

As long as we stay divided, then we will never see any change with the two party system in Washington.

As soon as one side has a stance on an issue, the other side is the total opposite.

Its complete idiocy!!!

This is exactly why nothing ever gets done in Washington
 
#81
#81
IPorange said:
I am compelled to point out that saying one doesn't want the federal government to decide something (abortion in this case), and thinks the states should decide isn't really changing the bottom line of government intervention. If one believes majority should always rule on a state level, that really isn't that much of a difference between saying majority should always rule on a national level. It really isn't a rational opinion.
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it's a copout. The states will never be given that power from the feds so the "zygote = life" crew will always have an out.
 
#83
#83
Back to your original topic, I think our best days are behind us. Our founders would never believe this is what they gave us. Unless there is a true revolution in this country we are done, and I am not talking about throwing the dems out and putting in the repubs, I mean back to: of the people, by the people and for the people.
 
#84
#84
volfanjustin said:
Sorry to get on that, I am just so passionate about it and when it was brought up I felt I had to respond.
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With 20 to 50 % of all "pregnancies" miscarriaging (most miscarriages occur in the first two weeks), you have an incredibly cruel God.
 
#85
#85
IPorange said:
I am compelled to point out that saying one doesn't want the federal government to decide something (abortion in this case), and thinks the states should decide isn't really changing the bottom line of government intervention. If one believes majority should always rule on a state level, that really isn't that much of a difference between saying majority should always rule on a national level. It really isn't an intellectually honest opinion.
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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
 
#86
#86
volfanjustin said:
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
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HAHA, that in no way addresses what I said. If anything, it just supports what utvolpj said.
 
#87
#87
volfanjustin said:
Back to your original topic, I think our best days are behind us. Our founders would never believe this is what they gave us. Unless there is a true revolution in this country we are done, and I am not talking about throwing the dems out and putting in the repubs, I mean back to: of the people, by the people and for the people.
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This I agree with. Politics as a career path is counter to the best interests of America and its citizenry.
 
#88
#88
volfanjustin said:
What about the father, what if he wanted his child? Why doesn't he have a say?

I believe God decides, I don't want man playing God.
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hmmmm.......

volfanjustin said:
The are social and fiscal conservatives and one can be both. What policy decisions have been implemented due to "government intervention on behalf of the Bible"?
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:ermm:
 
#89
#89
IPorange said:
With 20 to 50 % of all "pregnancies" miscarriaging (most miscarriages occur in the first two weeks), you have an incredibly cruel God.
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This really can't be stated enough. But again, we are dealing with religion, such rational arguments don't apply to those in the faith crowd.
 
#91
#91
volfanjustin said:
I take it you don't have an answer.
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To your hypocrisy? No, I don't. I take it you didn't understand my point.

In one post you act like the conservative crowd doesn't want to legislate social issues on behalf of the bible, then in the same thread say on the abortion issue it should be up to God who lives and dies.

That is a total fail.
 
#92
#92
rjd970 said:
This really can't be stated enough. But again, we are dealing with religion, such rational arguments don't apply to those in the faith crowd.
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I wouldnt say that!!

Painting with a very broad brush.

I consider myself a Christian and dont believe half the stuff some of the Bible thumpers push out.
 
#93
#93
rjd970 said:
To your hypocrisy? No, I don't. I take it you didn't understand my point.

In one post you act like the conservative crowd doesn't want to legislate social issues on behalf of the bible, then in the same thread say on the abortion issue it should be up to God who lives and dies.

That is a total fail.
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My question was what legislation has been passed on behalf of the Bible and social conservatives?
 
#94
#94
CountVolcula said:
I wouldnt say that!!

Painting with a very broad brush.

I consider myself a Christian and dont believe half the stuff some of the Bible thumpers push out.
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Present company excluded then.

I'm just saying, generally speaking, faith is placed at a higher premium than rational thought in the theological realm.
 
#95
#95
I see that Jerry Falwell has made his way to this thread.
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#96
#96
volfanjustin said:
My question was what legislation has been passed on behalf of the Bible and social conservatives?
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And again, I say nobody claimed it has. But that doesn't stop the social conservative crowd from trying, or using that reasoning.

Regardless, it still doesn't change the fact that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth right now. See your own two posts for proof....

ie...God should be the only one who decides who lives and dies, therefore I am pro-life...but the reasoning behind getting pro-life legislation passed isn't on behalf of the Bible.
 
#98
#98
volfanjustin said:
My question was what legislation has been passed on behalf of the Bible and social conservatives?
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If the Seperation of Church and State is followed, none should ever be passed.

What if Muslims tried to force Ramadan on Christians in America?

What if Catholics forced lent on Baptists?

etc...etc..etc..

We have to leave religion out of government and government out of religion.
 
#99
#99
CountVolcula said:
If the Seperation of Church and State is followed, none should ever be passed.

What if Muslims tried to force Ramadan on Christians in America?

What if Catholics forced lent on Baptists?

etc...etc..etc..

We have to leave religion out of government and government out of religion.
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There is no such thing as a seperation of church and state, it does not exsist.

No one is forcing religion on anyone, we have a right to religion not a right from religion.
 
#100
#100
CountVolcula said:
If the Seperation of Church and State is followed, none should ever be passed.

What if Muslims tried to force Ramadan on Christians in America?

What if Catholics forced lent on Baptists?

etc...etc..etc..

We have to leave religion out of government and government out of religion.
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+1, good post.

However, religion is not bad. I have no problem with the promotion of multiple religions, but rather the concentration of one.

If it was up to some of these on the right, we would live in a theocracy.
 
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