And some of you guys think we'll finish 8-4

[v0ltan]

Don't know what record will be but I will be cheering every time we play.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

Don't know what record will be but I will be cheering every time we play.

How do you keep the burgers and dogs from falling off the grill when you open it?

 

[TennFan]

I can't see any better than 7-5! Don't want to hear anyone slam the staff after the end of the season if the team goes 6-6 or 7-5. Could be no worse than 5-7. So give this staff some leeway because Coach Jones will get us competitive within 4 years. If a team doesn't do good within 3 years just like we did with Dooley, that's a different case. Butch Jones will get us there, just have faith!

 

[UGADawg4Life]

There have been many other things at UGA. But discipline isn't when you kick them off... its when you don't have to. Any UT fan with a memory of Fulmer's last few years knows this too well.

Yet in the discussion here... I've put "reasons" in front of you and you have not dealt with them.

Believe me... Mustafa IS NOT the guy you want applauding you.

Whatever man. Stay classy.

 

[Burger]

Nobody was going to start over Fulton, James, and Tiny last year. They were very good linemen, especially Fulton and James.
Crowder made Stone move to left guard towards the end of the year. Kerbyson and Weisman were on the field a lot when players needed rest. I think Jones wanted to try to get that line to the NFL for recruiting's sake.

 

[Purplehaze26]

Wow, not even August yet! By then, all the prognosticators on this board will be predicting 10-2 with great optimism, with us possibly beating either ala. or ok.lol:lol:lol:lol:

 

[TNnative]

No, I don't think we finish 8-4. I expect better.

 

[Backwards K]

On the trajectory he was on... it would have been MUCH worse. Just go back and look at what was left on the OL and DL when he was fired.

You are proof that stupid people some times talk themselves into a hole and just keep digging it deeper and deeper. Just be quiet about Fulmer and Richt and you will not look any dumber than you do now.

I could use facts in this conversation but it would be like casting pearls before swine. Using your timeframe (since 2000), Fulmer was 76-38 with 4 Division titles, 5 New Year's Bowls, six top 25 finishes. Richt's record is just as impressive and the UGA admin are smart enough not to listen to the idiots in their fanbase who want him fired.

As for the talent on campus, you forget to mention that Kiffin ran off a bunch of linemen and that Fulmer had a top 5 ranked recruiting class including a QB who ended up being a Heisman finalist when Hamilton fired him. Plus, if you think Wyoming would have beaten UT if the coaching staff had not been fired that week, there is no hope for you.

A bad final year. Yep. Hired an Offensive Coordinator who is a good coach but wasn't a good fit. Fulmer's track record earned him the chance to fix the problem. Heck, he had been in the SECCG just the year before.

If you think things would have been worse if the University had kept Fulmer, Chavis and the other coaches on that staff, you just don't understand football.

As a final word, I trust the players who played for Fulmer. They believe in their coach. Further, any HC who coached against Fulmer can't believe UT fired him when they did. I'll take their word over a leading member of the "legion of the miserable." (a Majors' phrase for folks like you).

 

[Backwards K]

With all of that said (and done). I am a big Butch Jones fan and believe he is taking the program in the right direction. In the next couple of years, UT fans should expect to be in Atlanta at least every 3 years or so just like in 20 years before the Kiffin/Dooley debacle.

 

[MustafaRasta]

On the trajectory he was on... it would have been MUCH worse. Just go back and look at what was left on the OL and DL when he was fired.

stoopid :crazy:

he even capitalized much....so that means at least 2 wins worse than 5-7. If he had bolded it too he might have expected Fulmer to go 1-11

 

[BeattieFeathers]

You are proof that stupid people some times talk themselves into a hole and just keep digging it deeper and deeper. Just be quiet about Fulmer and Richt and you will not look any dumber than you do now.

I could use facts in this conversation but it would be like casting pearls before swine. Using your timeframe (since 2000), Fulmer was 76-38 with 4 Division titles, 5 New Year's Bowls, six top 25 finishes. Richt's record is just as impressive and the UGA admin are smart enough not to listen to the idiots in their fanbase who want him fired.

As for the talent on campus, you forget to mention that Kiffin ran off a bunch of linemen and that Fulmer had a top 5 ranked recruiting class including a QB who ended up being a Heisman finalist when Hamilton fired him. Plus, if you think Wyoming would have beaten UT if the coaching staff had not been fired that week, there is no hope for you.

A bad final year. Yep. Hired an Offensive Coordinator who is a good coach but wasn't a good fit. Fulmer's track record earned him the chance to fix the problem. Heck, he had been in the SECCG just the year before.

If you think things would have been worse if the University had kept Fulmer, Chavis and the other coaches on that staff, you just don't understand football.

As a final word, I trust the players who played for Fulmer. They believe in their coach. Further, any HC who coached against Fulmer can't believe UT fired him when they did. I'll take their word over a leading member of the "legion of the miserable." (a Majors' phrase for folks like you).

Game,set, match!!!!!! Booooooooom!k::hi:

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Sure. If you are satisfied to accept less than what you can reasonably hope for... that works. Richt hasn't won the SEC since 2005. He's been predicted because of talent to win the East several times since then. I believe he's made it once in those 8 years.

If you think Fulmer was still cutting it then there's simply no help for you. Had he been kept, the program would have been even more decimated before someone else started trying to rebuild it. The recruiting and roster decline that followed the on-the-field decline that occurred between 2000 and 2005 showed no signs of ever reversing itself under Fulmer. Kids just weren't buying his schtick any more... and he refused to change anything he was doing.

This post says it all in terms of what I know. You are totally unrealistic and live in Disneyland. lol:

 

[BeattieFeathers]

You can take your arrogant ignorance somewhere else.

Can you name those teams that Jones has lost to that he shouldn't have? I would count Vandy from last year. You act as if he's been plagued by it over his career.

You can believe whatever you like. USU replaces as many or more starters than UT does. So whatever it was they accomplished over the past 3 years... doesn't really have much bearing on this game.... They don't even have the same coach that built their program to respectability among mid-majors. Do your homework!

They may have Keeton back but pretty much NONE of the WR's he made his mark with prior to his injury are still there.

You are the one looking for Superman... on the other sideline.

First of all, what if coach jones lost to an inferior foe? Didn't nick saban lose to two inferior opponents last season? Coach jones has a track record of playing for and winning championships. I think he is a very good coach that in time can compete and win championships at Tennessee. I get tired of the coach speak and platitudes and wish he would speak from the heart more, but that's just me.:hi::hi::hi:

 

[sjt18]

Nobody was going to start over Fulton, James, and Tiny last year. They were very good linemen, especially Fulton and James.
Crowder made Stone move to left guard towards the end of the year. Kerbyson and Weisman were on the field a lot when players needed rest. I think Jones wanted to try to get that line to the NFL for recruiting's sake.

I think the OL will be fine if they can find a LT. The middle looks solid. Thomas beating out veterans doesn't discourage me. During recruiting, his athleticism was noted. The Vols really need their prize LT to step up though.

 

[sjt18]

First of all, what if coach jones lost to an inferior foe? Didn't nick saban lose to two inferior opponents last season?

Really? He lost to a mid-major last year loaded with 2* talent?

Coach jones has a track record of playing for and winning championships.

And? That proves he will do it at UT? I hope he does. I support him. But those like you intent on lowering the bar are the ones I have an issue with... Jones isn't doing that. It is expected from an UGA fan. They're used to it. But Vol fans should demand more. Low expectations didn't get Bama to where they are.

I think he is a very good coach that in time can compete and win championships at Tennessee. I get tired of the coach speak and platitudes and wish he would speak from the heart more, but that's just me.:hi::hi::hi:

Huh? A Fulmer fan who doesn't like coach speak?

If anything, I'd say Jones is a bit of fresh air in that regard. Remember Dooley though? When he went off "coach speak" people went nuts and accused him of downing players and such. The reason fans get coach speak is they punish coaches who don't do it.

 

[sjt18]

You are proof that stupid people some times talk themselves into a hole and just keep digging it deeper and deeper. Just be quiet about Fulmer and Richt and you will not look any dumber than you do now.

Stupid people? Nice attempt at poisoning the well there... BTW, the rest of your post is abjectly stupid. How's that?

I could use facts in this conversation but it would be like casting pearls before swine. Using your timeframe (since 2000), Fulmer was 76-38 with 4 Division titles, 5 New Year's Bowls, six top 25 finishes. Richt's record is just as impressive and the UGA admin are smart enough not to listen to the idiots in their fanbase who want him fired.

Richt has had NC caliber rosters that lost 2 or 3 games. He's failed to capitalize while UT and to a lesser extent UF have been down. UGA should have dominated the East... and had some SEC titles. They haven't.

Fulmer was on the decline and if you are too stubborn or "stupid" to realize that then you either weren't paying attention or just not "smart" enough to notice.

As for the talent on campus, you forget to mention that Kiffin ran off a bunch of linemen

Name them. I remember a big kid from Memphis that subsequently went to FSU and quit. And YOU forget that Fulmer was likely to have fire Clawson and his O staff... which would have resulted in Boyd going elsewhere anyway.

and that Fulmer had a top 5 ranked recruiting class including a QB who ended up being a Heisman finalist when Hamilton fired him.

LOL... no he didn't. Boyd was one of few players out of that class that panned out. Thigpen ended up at UCLA and disappeared. Schofield was never a real contributor. Askew eventually just quit. Mitchell-Thornton was never much. Oku, Oliver, Revis? Sykes? Those are most of the players committed when Fulmer was fired. Even if you were right about the ranking (which I do not think you are), that class was going to be just as ineffective as Fulmer's other last few classes.

Plus, if you think Wyoming would have beaten UT if the coaching staff had not been fired that week, there is no hope for you.

I've actually never said any different. I don't know how that might have turned out. Fulmer had once again lost control of his team. It was no secret that he intended on making Clawson the scapegoat. Team discipline was as bad as it had been during the decline. But yes, without the announcement it is more likely that UT would have found a way to win.

A bad final year. Yep. Hired an Offensive Coordinator who is a good coach but wasn't a good fit. Fulmer's track record earned him the chance to fix the problem. Heck, he had been in the SECCG just the year before.

That's what he got. Have you forgotten 2005? Have you forgotten the off the field problems? Have you forgotten the recruiting busts like almost the entire 2007 class? He got his chance and famously said, "We've won a lot of games here doing what we're doing and we're not going to change now".

Sorry, Fulmer had his day and was great in it. But he let the game pass him by and refused to change. He had to go.

If you think things would have been worse if the University had kept Fulmer, Chavis and the other coaches on that staff, you just don't understand football.

No. Because I DO understand football I can say with a great deal of confidence that Fulmer's promise to change NOTHING about how he coached was going to sink the program further.

As a final word, I trust the players who played for Fulmer. They believe in their coach. Further, any HC who coached against Fulmer can't believe UT fired him when they did. I'll take their word over a leading member of the "legion of the miserable." (a Majors' phrase for folks like you).

How many that played for him in say the last 6 or 7 years? Things and people change. And as for what players may have said... Dooley's players in '12 professed that there was no other staff in America they'd rather play for. You don't invest what those guys invest without having loyalty... even if it is sometimes misplaced.

 

[sjt18]

Whatever man. Stay classy.

What exactly is "unclassy" about saying that Richt is a nice man, a good recruiter, but not a great coach or disciplinarian?

 

[sjt18]

With all of that said (and done). I am a big Butch Jones fan and believe he is taking the program in the right direction. In the next couple of years, UT fans should expect to be in Atlanta at least every 3 years or so just like in 20 years before the Kiffin/Dooley debacle.

Jones has done a lot of the right things so far. He's had some notable failures. Hopefully just bumps on the road to success.

 

[sjt18]

Not to mention Tajh Boyd and Bryce Petty are terrible :crazy:

Which one was going to play OG?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Stupid people? Nice attempt at poisoning the well there... BTW, the rest of your post is abjectly stupid. How's that?

Richt has had NC caliber rosters that lost 2 or 3 games. He's failed to capitalize while UT and to a lesser extent UF have been down. UGA should have dominated the East... and had some SEC titles. They haven't.

Fulmer was on the decline and if you are too stubborn or "stupid" to realize that then you either weren't paying attention or just not "smart" enough to notice.

Name them. I remember a big kid from Memphis that subsequently went to FSU and quit. And YOU forget that Fulmer was likely to have fire Clawson and his O staff... which would have resulted in Boyd going elsewhere anyway.

LOL... no he didn't. Boyd was one of few players out of that class that panned out. Thigpen ended up at UCLA and disappeared. Schofield was never a real contributor. Askew eventually just quit. Mitchell-Thornton was never much. Oku, Oliver, Revis? Sykes? Those are most of the players committed when Fulmer was fired. Even if you were right about the ranking (which I do not think you are), that class was going to be just as ineffective as Fulmer's other last few classes.

I've actually never said any different. I don't know how that might have turned out. Fulmer had once again lost control of his team. It was no secret that he intended on making Clawson the scapegoat. Team discipline was as bad as it had been during the decline. But yes, without the announcement it is more likely that UT would have found a way to win.

That's what he got. Have you forgotten 2005? Have you forgotten the off the field problems? Have you forgotten the recruiting busts like almost the entire 2007 class? He got his chance and famously said, "We've won a lot of games here doing what we're doing and we're not going to change now".

Sorry, Fulmer had his day and was great in it. But he let the game pass him by and refused to change. He had to go.

No. Because I DO understand football I can say with a great deal of confidence that Fulmer's promise to change NOTHING about how he coached was going to sink the program further.



How many that played for him in say the last 6 or 7 years? Things and people change. And as for what players may have said... Dooley's players in '12 professed that there was no other staff in America they'd rather play for. You don't invest what those guys invest without having loyalty... even if it is sometimes misplaced.

I really don't see how anyone could dispute any of these points with a straight face and without reaching.

 

[sjt18]

Game,set, match!!!!!! Booooooooom!k::hi:

Backwards K.... This is worse than any insult I could come up with...

 

[sjt18]

I really don't see how anyone could dispute any of these points with a straight face and without reaching.

You underestimate guys like BeattieFeathers

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Backwards K.... This is worse than any insult I could come up with...

If Beattie supports your opponent in a dispute, you should claim victory. I believe that is an actual rule in competitive debating.

 

[sjt18]

This post says it all in terms of what I know. You are totally unrealistic and live in Disneyland. lol:

What pointing to facts and opinions based in fact makes someone unrealistic...? Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting your penchant for setting the bar low.

Richt has an enviable position. He coaches THE state school in a state full of great HS talent. He should be able to pick and choose and often does. UGA has ALOT to sell. Nice college town. Good school. Great facilities and tradition. Close enough to ATL but not too close. Tradition.

Yet in his last 5 seasons Richt is 44-23. Jim Donnan in his 5 years at UGA... was 40-19. Not exactly Ray Goff bad... but remember Donnan was fired.

But... why on earth am I giving you facts? You'll just ignore them like you always do.

 

[Burger]

I think the OL will be fine if they can find a LT. The middle looks solid. Thomas beating out veterans doesn't discourage me. During recruiting, his athleticism was noted. The Vols really need their prize LT to step up though.

Agreed. We need Blair or Gilliam to be great. The interior will be better than last year.