And some of you guys think we'll finish 8-4

[UGADawg4Life]

I don't know what UT has in Jones. I choose to be hopeful but I'm not an optimist nor a pessimist. I want to see what he's got.

Richt's numbers look fine... until you consider the talent that he's gotten... then squandered. Not only that but UT and UF have both struggled of late leaving the door to dominance wide open to Richt. Instead, you have one CG appearance since 2005, right?

You all have been satisfied with turning the staff. I'm personally fine with that. UGA with a great rather than "good" coach would be as dominant as Bama or more so.

I'm not obsessed with slamming Richt... in fact, I find it very comforting that you are oblivious to what I am telling you. The longer he's there... the easier it will be for a UT coach to lift the Vols back into contention.

So where's the obvious bitterness coming from?:thumbsup:

 

[KoachKletus]

"By GOD"
-Roy D Mercer

Gotta give a like to any RD Mercer reference. :hi:

 

[sjt18]

So where's the obvious bitterness coming from?:thumbsup:

Bitter at what? You're an UGA fan who comes in and makes arrogant and condescending remarks about what UT fans should expect... based on your perspective as a fan of a team coached by an underachiever.

A great coach could have built a dynasty at UGA while UF and UT have been down. You have a state chock full of great HS football and football players. The vast majority of them have grown up as UGA fans or surrounded by them. Almost all will give UGA the first look. The other main school in your state is an afterthought following several out of state schools. You have one of the best if not the best recruiting situations in CFB. So where are the crystal trophies?

Richt at a school with less instate talent like UT... is gone in 3 years.

 

[Backwards K]

UGA's administration is just smarter than Mike Hamilton and the UTAD was. They realize that in these times when the SEC is the strongest Conference in America that going to 6 SECCGs and finishing in the top 10 six times is very good.

UT fired a coach with a better record and track record (but very similar) and look how that has worked out. The great Steve Spurrier has been as SCarolina for 10 years and he has one SECCG appearance and three Top 10 finishes.

Mark Richt is a very good football coach and a better man. UGA could not find a coach who would win and represent UGA as well as Richt does.

Oh, and for the record. I hate the Georgia Bulldogs!!

 

[sjt18]

UGA's administration is just smarter than Mike Hamilton and the UTAD was. They realize that in these times when the SEC is the strongest Conference in America that going to 6 SECCGs and finishing in the top 10 six times is very good.

UT fired a coach with a better record and track record (but very similar) and look how that has worked out. The great Steve Spurrier has been as SCarolina for 10 years and he has one SECCG appearance and three Top 10 finishes.

Mark Richt is a very good football coach and a better man. UGA could not find a coach who would win and represent UGA as well as Richt does.

Oh, and for the record. I hate the Georgia Bulldogs!!

Sure. If you are satisfied to accept less than what you can reasonably hope for... that works. Richt hasn't won the SEC since 2005. He's been predicted because of talent to win the East several times since then. I believe he's made it once in those 8 years.

If you think Fulmer was still cutting it then there's simply no help for you. Had he been kept, the program would have been even more decimated before someone else started trying to rebuild it. The recruiting and roster decline that followed the on-the-field decline that occurred between 2000 and 2005 showed no signs of ever reversing itself under Fulmer. Kids just weren't buying his schtick any more... and he refused to change anything he was doing.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

Sure. If you are satisfied to accept less than what you can reasonably hope for... that works. Richt hasn't won the SEC since 2005. He's been predicted because of talent to win the East several times since then. I believe he's made it once in those 8 years.

If you think Fulmer was still cutting it then there's simply no help for you. Had he been kept, the program would have been even more decimated before someone else started trying to rebuild it. The recruiting and roster decline that followed the on-the-field decline that occurred between 2000 and 2005 showed no signs of ever reversing itself under Fulmer. Kids just weren't buying his schtick any more... and he refused to change anything he was doing.

I don't think that keeping Fulmer for an additional 6 years would have produced any worse of a record, or player turnaround for that matter, than what we have witnessed for the past 6 years and 3 coaches.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

Bitter at what? You're an UGA fan who comes in and makes arrogant and condescending remarks about what UT fans should expect... based on your perspective as a fan of a team coached by an underachiever.

A great coach could have built a dynasty at UGA while UF and UT have been down. You have a state chock full of great HS football and football players. The vast majority of them have grown up as UGA fans or surrounded by them. Almost all will give UGA the first look. The other main school in your state is an afterthought following several out of state schools. You have one of the best if not the best recruiting situations in CFB. So where are the crystal trophies?

Richt at a school with less instate talent like UT... is gone in 3 years.

Please feel free to cut and paste my "arrogant and condescending remarks". Please.

I complimented UT on their choice of HCs and simply pointed out that Utah St. Might be a tough opponent for a young team. Then you jumped on CMR with venom. Most knowledgeable UGA fans are happy with the way that CMR has represented the university, and for good reason. I think that CBJ will do the same for UT. But he doesn't wear a cape and it will take some time to rebuild in the toughest conference in CFB. I think knowledgeable UT fans know that and know that.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Between Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama, South Carolina, I believe we can squeeze out 2 wins. This puts us at 8 wins.

You do realize it took us the past 4 seasons to notch 2 wins from that list?

 

[ntxVOL]

Please feel free to cut and paste my "arrogant and condescending remarks". Please.

I complimented UT on their choice of HCs and simply pointed out that Utah St. Might be a tough opponent for a young team. Then you jumped on CMR with venom. Most knowledgeable UGA fans are happy with the way that CMR has represented the university, and for good reason. I think that CBJ will do the same for UT. But he doesn't wear a cape and it will take some time to rebuild in the toughest conference in CFB. I think knowledgeable UT fans know that and know that.

I like CMR for a lot of reasons. I agree that he is a great ambassador for your university and it's football program. I think many here would be thrilled to have a coach like CMR at UT.

All that said, you still have to wonder if he can get you over the hump. The SEC east has been in your favor for a while now.

 

[kiddiedoc]

MO there are least 8 wins, maybe 9, on UT's schedule (... Florida, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy).

With the exception of Kentucky, we haven't fared so well against many of those teams over the past several years. 0-9 v Florida, 0-2 v MO, 1-3 streak v SC, and two straight losses to Vandy. Tough to look at that list and call those "wins."

 

[ntxVOL]

With the exception of Kentucky, we haven't fared so well against many of those teams over the past several years. 0-10 v Florida, 0-2 v MO, 1-3 streak v SC, and two straight losses to Vandy. Tough to look at that list and call those "wins."

Not looking back anymore, let's look forward...CBJ gonna get it done!

 

[kiddiedoc]

Not looking back anymore, let's look forward...CBJ gonna get it done!

I'm all for it, just trying to be realistic. 6 wins and a bowl appearance is progress.

 

[gnm53108]

With the exception of Kentucky, we haven't fared so well against many of those teams over the past several years. 0-9 v Florida, 0-2 v MO, 1-3 streak v SC, and two straight losses to Vandy. Tough to look at that list and call those "wins."

That proves that we have been historically bad the last few years.

I'm with scooby thinking that we're about to change that.

 

[sjt18]

I don't think that keeping Fulmer for an additional 6 years would have produced any worse of a record, or player turnaround for that matter, than what we have witnessed for the past 6 years and 3 coaches.

If you believe that then you need to go back and review the OL and DL situation Fulmer left behind and ESPECIALLY look at his inability to get the attention of quality linemen. At the end, he flat out could not sign DT's. The best OL he signed over his last two or 3 years was a TE... converted to OT... who later committed suicide.

For that matter, he wasn't signing quality WR's either. The players he did get... weren't staying eligible. Far more Vols made police blotters than All Conference.

To say it was ugly and getting uglier... is probably being too kind. But like many of you... Fulmer thought everything was just fine... that he just needed to clean up around the hedges. It took a threat of being fired for him to finally cut Sanders loose even when the decline of the O was beyond denial.

 

[sjt18]

Please feel free to cut and paste my "arrogant and condescending remarks". Please.

I pointed them out as soon as you made them. You can scroll back yourself.

I complimented UT on their choice of HCs and simply pointed out that Utah St. Might be a tough opponent for a young team.

No. You didn't just "simply" do that.

Then you jumped on CMR with venom.

Venom? Richt seems like a very nice man. He's a very good recruiter. He has a near ideal set up for success. He isn't winning championships. Please... remain satisfied. Hopefully UT won't be... and unfortunately the team I loath the most, Florida, won't tolerate underachievement.

Most knowledgeable UGA fans are happy with the way that CMR has represented the university, and for good reason.

He's a nice guy. I would hardly say his lack of discipline within the program should make UGA fans proud... but he seems to be a nice guy. Saban and Meyer OTOH seem like absolute jerks. But they have rings.

I think that CBJ will do the same for UT. But he doesn't wear a cape and it will take some time to rebuild in the toughest conference in CFB. I think knowledgeable UT fans know that and know that.

I didn't say any different... but fully recognize that USU isn't in the toughest conference in CFB... far from it.

I did however say that the right coach for UT will develop, prepare, and coach his team at a high level. Frankly, UT cannot rebuild with a "Richt" at the helm. He would fail in K'ville as bad or worse than Dooley did. The kind of struggles with lesser opponents that you talked about simply cannot take UT from point A to point B and beyond.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

If you believe that then you need to go back and review the OL and DL situation Fulmer left behind and ESPECIALLY look at his inability to get the attention of quality linemen. At the end, he flat out could not sign DT's. The best OL he signed over his last two or 3 years was a TE... converted to OT... who later committed suicide.

For that matter, he wasn't signing quality WR's either. The players he did get... weren't staying eligible. Far more Vols made police blotters than All Conference.

To say it was ugly and getting uglier... is probably being too kind. But like many of you... Fulmer thought everything was just fine... that he just needed to clean up around the hedges. It took a threat of being fired for him to finally cut Sanders loose even when the decline of the O was beyond denial.

Where did I say things were going just fine? Please, elaborate and tell me how you gathered that was what the point of my 2 sentence post was all about. You must have a reading comprehension problem because I simply implied that things couldn't have been worse over the last 6 years if they had kept Fulmer than they actually have been without him.

Now, I know you are likely going to come back with some sort of elaborate, and potentially condescending remark, but I'm just going to stop here and say GBO.

 

[sjt18]

Where did I say things were going just fine? Please, elaborate and tell me how you gathered that was what the point of my 2 sentence post was all about. You must have a reading comprehension problem because I simply implied that things couldn't have been worse over the last 6 years if they had kept Fulmer than they actually have been without him.

And speaking of comprehension the point of my post is that things could have and likely would have been MUCH worse had he not been let go. I argued at the time that he needed to get a chance to turn it around. Others didn't seem to want to admit it but it was pretty obvious that there were huge risks on the coaching carousel. But you can't start the process until you... start by firing the long time coach. He got his chance and failed.

We really don't know how long it will take to find "the guy". That does NOT change the fact that a) Fulmer was no longer "the guy", b) things were getting worse, not better, and c) you won't find "the guy" until you start looking for him.

Now, I know you are likely going to come back with some sort of elaborate, and potentially condescending remark, but I'm just going to stop here and say GBO.

I guess you mean like when you questioned my reading comprehension?

Prove your point... don't play victim. The info is out there. If there was any reason at all to believe that the program was about to turn the corner in 2008 with Fulmer at the helm... I'd like to hear it.

 

[jeffmcflurry27]

And speaking of comprehension the point of my post is that things could have and likely would have been MUCH worse had he not been let go. I argued at the time that he needed to get a chance to turn it around. Others didn't seem to want to admit it but it was pretty obvious that there were huge risks on the coaching carousel. But you can't start the process until you... start by firing the long time coach. He got his chance and failed.

We really don't know how long it will take to find "the guy". That does NOT change the fact that a) Fulmer was no longer "the guy", b) things were getting worse, not better, and c) you won't find "the guy" until you start looking for him.

I guess you mean like when you questioned my reading comprehension?

Prove your point... don't play victim. The info is out there. If there was any reason at all to believe that the program was about to turn the corner in 2008 with Fulmer at the helm... I'd like to hear it.

Read what you said after the bold text. Point proven.

 

[thebjd]

And speaking of comprehension the point of my post is that things could have and likely would have been MUCH worse had he not been let go. I argued at the time that he needed to get a chance to turn it around. Others didn't seem to want to admit it but it was pretty obvious that there were huge risks on the coaching carousel. But you can't start the process until you... start by firing the long time coach. He got his chance and failed.

No way in hell the bolded is true. Fulmer would not have had four consecutive losing seasons. Would it have been good enough? Probably not but no way would it have approached what we have endured.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

I pointed them out as soon as you made them. You can scroll back yourself.

No. You didn't just "simply" do that.

Venom? Richt seems like a very nice man. He's a very good recruiter. He has a near ideal set up for success. He isn't winning championships. Please... remain satisfied. Hopefully UT won't be... and unfortunately the team I loath the most, Florida, won't tolerate underachievement.

He's a nice guy. I would hardly say his lack of discipline within the program should make UGA fans proud... but he seems to be a nice guy. Saban and Meyer OTOH seem like absolute jerks. But they have rings.


I didn't say any different... but fully recognize that USU isn't in the toughest conference in CFB... far from it.

I did however say that the right coach for UT will develop, prepare, and coach his team at a high level. Frankly, UT cannot rebuild with a "Richt" at the helm. He would fail in K'ville as bad or worse than Dooley did. The kind of struggles with lesser opponents that you talked about simply cannot take UT from point A to point B and beyond.

I disagree with you on so many levels, we'll never see eye-to-eye. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you think kicking 3 badly-needed DBs off the team shows lack of discipline, I don't know what to say to you. You seem to have a very jaded slant that reason can't overcome.

 

[MustafaRasta]

I disagree with you on so many levels, we'll never see eye-to-eye. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you think kicking 3 badly-needed DBs off the team shows lack of discipline, I don't know what to say to you. You seem to have a very jaded slant that reason can't overcome.

You are totally the first person to notice that

 

[UGADawg4Life]

You are totally the first person to notice that

My daddy always said I was slow but thorough. :sleep:

 

[sjt18]

No way in hell the bolded is true. Fulmer would not have had four consecutive losing seasons. Would it have been good enough? Probably not but no way would it have approached what we have endured.

On the trajectory he was on... it would have been MUCH worse. Just go back and look at what was left on the OL and DL when he was fired.

 

[sjt18]

I disagree with you on so many levels, we'll never see eye-to-eye. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you think kicking 3 badly-needed DBs off the team shows lack of discipline, I don't know what to say to you. You seem to have a very jaded slant that reason can't overcome.

There have been many other things at UGA. But discipline isn't when you kick them off... its when you don't have to. Any UT fan with a memory of Fulmer's last few years knows this too well.

Yet in the discussion here... I've put "reasons" in front of you and you have not dealt with them.

Believe me... Mustafa IS NOT the guy you want applauding you.

 

[ajvol01]

On the trajectory he was on... it would have been MUCH worse. Just go back and look at what was left on the OL and DL when he was fired.

Not to mention Tajh Boyd and Bryce Petty are terrible :crazy: