And some of you guys think we'll finish 8-4

You might not want to admit it but this is the equivalent to saying that Jones, Bajakian, and Mahoney don't know what they're doing. If we are going to make the argument as many have that the OL last year underperformed because the players were new to the system and had not been in an effective development program then we SHOULD be able to expect improvement in a group that is now a year and a half to two full years into the system and development program.

There IS talent. Crowder had offers. Kerbyson had options. Jackson was highly rated. Thomas is beating out veterans. Blair was one of the top JUCO LT's in '14.

Bajakian, Mahoney, Crowder, Kerbyson, Jackson, Thomas and Blair all have one thing in common...

That have proved nothing to me as a Tennessee Football fan. Actual nothing. In reference to Bajakian and Mahoney, I think it is entirely possible that they are downgrades from the two men that previously held their positions.
 
So, how's that optimism working out for you?

None of that matters now. It's 2014. New everything. First play of the game against OU.... OU runs a toss sweep, Kelly comes up from the saftey spot, lowers his shoulder and whack! He drives the tailback into his own bench( he doesn't wrap up cuz he doesn't need to ) bob Stoops slack jaw and all says this... " who are you son"? Kelly, " Kelly". Stoops, " Kelly... I'll remember the name".
 
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None of that matters now. It's 2014. New everything. First play of the game against OU.... OU runs a toss sweep, Kelly comes up from the saftey spot, lowers his shoulder and whack! He drives the tailback into his own bench( he doesn't wrap up cuz he doesn't need to ) bob Stoops slack jaw and all says this... " who are you son"? Kelly, " Kelly". Stoops, " Kelly... I'll remember the name".

Love the enthusiasm, but the stories are over the top.
 
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I think I've asked this before, but what the heck is this supposed mean? Please elaborate.

When I first made the thread , titled "for those afraid to win" I geared it towards those who thought that this team was destined for 5 or 6 wins, max. These people, the "realists" like to throw out all these numbers and stats and I don't care about any of it. If they knew about our team, the wealth of incoming talent and some people already in place they would know that we are at least a bowl eligible team, bare minimum. They come up with excuse after excuse about how and why we can't do it. So after all that bull I figured they were just afraid to win.
 
When I first made the thread , titled "for those afraid to win" I geared it towards those who thought that this team was destined for 5 or 6 wins, max. These people, the "realists" like to throw out all these numbers and stats and I don't care about any of it. If they knew about our team, the wealth of incoming talent and some people already in place they would know that we are at least a bowl eligible team, bare minimum. They come up with excuse after excuse about how and why we can't do it. So after all that bull I figured they were just afraid to win.

You make very little sense, dude, but I admire your passion. GBO.
 
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Bajakian, Mahoney, Crowder, Kerbyson, Jackson, Thomas and Blair all have one thing in common...

That have proved nothing to me as a Tennessee Football fan. Actual nothing. In reference to Bajakian and Mahoney, I think it is entirely possible that they are downgrades from the two men that previously held their positions.

This statement certainly 'proves' your quality "as a Tennessee Football fan." lol :lolabove:

It speaks loudly and clearly that you are a pitiful "Tennessee Football fan."

Other schools tried to hire Bajakian away - he stayed. That proved his loyalty. In the Spring game Bajakian showed how he uses his play makers and organizes his play calling around them (very smart). Mahoney showed something in the Spring as well by organizing the best o-linemen on the field - and moving them around when they weren't. As for Kerbyson, Jackson, and Crowder, they have always blown guys off the ball at the line of scrimmage and engaged their blocks longer than any other linemen on the field. Thomas showed impressive play - as a Freshman during the Spring with only 1 month under his belt all while he was supposed to be in high school. What have you proven as a "Tennessee Football fan?" :no:
 
I think you should reread my post and be a little less sensitive. Vegas has Utah St. at -2. That ain't a blowout.
And maybe you should work on your tendency to transference. Just because Richt has certain weaknesses doesn't mean that Jones does. He seems to be a great guy and is a very good recruiter. But there is a reason that none of your national championship caliber rosters over the last few years haven't won one... and it ain't the assistants you've been changing like underwear.

I'm not sure what the latest odds are but they float with betting... and if most bettors were well informed then no one could make money at it. Just take a look at the athletic match up between UT's WR's and USU's secondary. That is the key to understanding why I don't think it is going to be all that close. From a purely athletic standpoint, it is a complete and total mismatch. Their best DB athlete is a guy who couldn't cut it at UT during the Vols' lowest ebb in a generation. Even if you assumed (I don't) that the other position match ups were relatively equal... the UT WR vs USU DB match up is a deal breaker.

Starting off the season with a young team is "iffy" at best.
One, UT has some key guys coming back. This isn't a team devoid of experience. That stat is often overblown. So and so has 59 returning lettermen... which sounds so much better than 43 until you realize that the number includes ST's only guys and guys who have careers made up of mop up appearances.

Would we prefer to have over 50 lettermen returning? Who wouldn't? But it is nowhere near as dire as some of you seem to think.

Two, UT is not coached by Mark Richt. I am not sure what UT has in Jones but the "right" coach won't ever be "iffy" with regard to having his players prepared, developed, and ready to play. He WILL put them consistently in position to be successful.

CBJ is concerned about getting these young guys ready. Maybe you're not. Only time will tell who's right. UT should improve as the season progresses. But the first game is virtually a toss up, IMHO.
It is Jones JOB to get these young guys ready. That statement makes no sense... well maybe it does no the context of an UGA fan's expectations of a HC.

This game should NOT be a toss up. USU is a very good mid-major program. They replace many starters and key contributors. They lose their top two WR's and over half of their production at receiver. They lose their top two rushers though they apparently get a good RB back from injury. They lost production all over their D.

Let's put it this way... had UT been playing their schedule over the last few years... they'd have made a BCS bowl rather than struggling through the worst stretch in well over 50 years.

The "intangible" factors do not apply. UT's coaches and players have no reason for overconfidence. If anything, USU could come in thinking more of themselves than they should. This game if UT's coaching is competent SHOULD come down to raw talent AND especially at that one key match up.
 
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Bajakian, Mahoney, Crowder, Kerbyson, Jackson, Thomas and Blair all have one thing in common...

That have proved nothing to me as a Tennessee Football fan. Actual nothing. In reference to Bajakian and Mahoney, I think it is entirely possible that they are downgrades from the two men that previously held their positions.

That could end up being true. I am waiting to see as well.

Please note that I qualify and temper almost everything I say about the future of the team with the coaching variable. I hope they're good... I'm not willing to excuse them if they're not.

That last statement could well be true. There were probably too many changes but I am not one that buys the argument that UT's departing OL's weren't well coached by their position coaches. There were some quality guys who went through while DD was HC.
 
This statement certainly 'proves' your quality "as a Tennessee Football fan." lol :lolabove:

It speaks loudly and clearly that you are a pitiful "Tennessee Football fan."

Other schools tried to hire Bajakian away - he stayed. That proved his loyalty. In the Spring game Bajakian showed how he uses his play makers and organizes his play calling around them (very smart). Mahoney showed something in the Spring as well by organizing the best o-linemen on the field - and moving them around when they weren't. As for Kerbyson, Jackson, and Crowder, they have always blown guys off the ball at the line of scrimmage and engaged their blocks longer than any other linemen on the field. Thomas showed impressive play - as a Freshman during the Spring with only 1 month under his belt all while he was supposed to be in high school. What have you proven as a "Tennessee Football fan?" :no:
With all due respect, none of this refutes his point. There's little doubt that the UT OL underperformed last year. Most blame the players, Dooley, or something not associated with the current staff. To me, the ONLY reasonable explanation that does not lay blame squarely on the current staff is that with the change in system they had not had the time to properly coach and develop the OL. That... is no longer a valid excuse.
 
And maybe you should work on your tendency to transference. Just because Richt has certain weaknesses doesn't mean that Jones does. He seems to be a great guy and is a very good recruiter. But there is a reason that none of your national championship caliber rosters over the last few years haven't won one... and it ain't the assistants you've been changing like underwear.

I'm not sure what the latest odds are but they float with betting... and if most bettors were well informed then no one could make money at it. Just take a look at the athletic match up between UT's WR's and USU's secondary. That is the key to understanding why I don't think it is going to be all that close. From a purely athletic standpoint, it is a complete and total mismatch. Their best DB athlete is a guy who couldn't cut it at UT during the Vols' lowest ebb in a generation. Even if you assumed (I don't) that the other position match ups were relatively equal... the UT WR vs USU DB match up is a deal breaker.

One, UT has some key guys coming back. This isn't a team devoid of experience. That stat is often overblown. So and so has 59 returning lettermen... which sounds so much better than 43 until you realize that the number includes ST's only guys and guys who have careers made up of mop up appearances.

Would we prefer to have over 50 lettermen returning? Who wouldn't? But it is nowhere near as dire as some of you seem to think.

Two, UT is not coached by Mark Richt. I am not sure what UT has in Jones but the "right" coach won't ever be "iffy" with regard to having his players prepared, developed, and ready to play. He WILL put them consistently in position to be successful.


It is Jones JOB to get these young guys ready. That statement makes no sense... well maybe it does no the context of an UGA fan's expectations of a HC.

This game should NOT be a toss up. USU is a very good mid-major program. They replace many starters and key contributors. They lose their top two WR's and over half of their production at receiver. They lose their top two rushers though they apparently get a good RB back from injury. They lost production all over their D.

Let's put it this way... had UT been playing their schedule over the last few years... they'd have made a BCS bowl rather than struggling through the worst stretch in well over 50 years.

The "intangible" factors do not apply. UT's coaches and players have no reason for overconfidence. If anything, USU could come in thinking more of themselves than they should. This game if UT's coaching is competent SHOULD come down to raw talent AND especially at that one key match up.

I like CBJ and think he'll probably turn out to be a good hire for UT. We won't know for a couple of seasons. You seem to be obsesed with slamming CMR. So let's do a current comparison:

CMR: 126-45 (.737 win %), 2x SEC Champ, 6 Division Titles, 2x SEC C-O-Y.

CBJ: 55-34 (.618 win %) 2x MAC/Big East Champs.

We won't be able to do a complete comparison for several years. Only time will tell, not conjecture.
 
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This statement certainly 'proves' your quality "as a Tennessee Football fan." lol :lolabove:

It speaks loudly and clearly that you are a pitiful "Tennessee Football fan."

Other schools tried to hire Bajakian away - he stayed. That proved his loyalty. In the Spring game Bajakian showed how he uses his play makers and organizes his play calling around them (very smart). Mahoney showed something in the Spring as well by organizing the best o-linemen on the field - and moving them around when they weren't. As for Kerbyson, Jackson, and Crowder, they have always blown guys off the ball at the line of scrimmage and engaged their blocks longer than any other linemen on the field. Thomas showed impressive play - as a Freshman during the Spring with only 1 month under his belt all while he was supposed to be in high school. What have you proven as a "Tennessee Football fan?" :no:

-Who cares if other schools tried to hire him, our offense wasn't good last year. Means nothing.

-who cares if he is loyal. Our offense wasn't good last year. means nothing.

-Are you seriously trying to prove your point by using the spring game? C'mon.

-What have I proven as a Tennessee fan? I have proven that I am capable of self-aware, objective and unbiased thoughts about the football team I love.

Two people have proven themselves on this staff and that would be Butch and Thig, and even then they have only proven themselves as recruiters.
 
-Who cares if other schools tried to hire him, our offense wasn't good last year. Means nothing.

-who cares if he is loyal. Our offense wasn't good last year. means nothing.

-Are you seriously trying to prove your point by using the spring game? C'mon.

-What have I proven as a Tennessee fan? I have proven that I am capable of self-aware, objective and unbiased thoughts about the football team I love.

Two people have proven themselves on this staff and that would be Butch and Thig, and even then they have only proven themselves as recruiters.

I'll tell you what I got out of the spring game.... our defense SUCKS. I dont put stock in that game because it is largely scripted, but if you were going to make one general assessment based on that game it would be that our mediocre-at-best offence scored 166 points on our defense.
 
I like CBJ and think he'll probably turn out to be a good hire for UT. We won't know for a couple of seasons. You seem to be obsesed with slamming CMR. So let's do a current comparison:

CMR: 126-45 (.737 win %), 2x SEC Champ, 6 Division Titles, 2x SEC C-O-Y.

CBJ: 55-34 (.618 win %) 2x MAC/Big East Champs.

We won't be able to do a complete comparison for several years. Only time will tell, not conjecture.

I don't know what UT has in Jones. I choose to be hopeful but I'm not an optimist nor a pessimist. I want to see what he's got.

Richt's numbers look fine... until you consider the talent that he's gotten... then squandered. Not only that but UT and UF have both struggled of late leaving the door to dominance wide open to Richt. Instead, you have one CG appearance since 2005, right?

You all have been satisfied with turning the staff. I'm personally fine with that. UGA with a great rather than "good" coach would be as dominant as Bama or more so.

I'm not obsessed with slamming Richt... in fact, I find it very comforting that you are oblivious to what I am telling you. The longer he's there... the easier it will be for a UT coach to lift the Vols back into contention.
 
-Who cares if other schools tried to hire him, our offense wasn't good last year. Means nothing.

-who cares if he is loyal. Our offense wasn't good last year. means nothing.

-Are you seriously trying to prove your point by using the spring game? C'mon.

-What have I proven as a Tennessee fan? I have proven that I am capable of self-aware, objective and unbiased thoughts about the football team I love.

Two people have proven themselves on this staff and that would be Butch and Thig, and even then they have only proven themselves as recruiters.
Kidding, right?

Everyone KNOWS you can't be a good fan unless you put blind faith in all of the coaches regardless of last year or any other time. Consider your fan card officially revoked.

Dang boy... ev'body 'no dat"
 

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