Andrew Gribble reporting Pearl committed violations in Sept and March

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Vercingetorix said:
No need to take it personally. All Hamilton's statement is is boilerplate PR-speak. If you translate it into English, all it says is "We were planning to keep him. There's been some other stuff since then that has forced us to change our mind." It's intentionally vague and therefore sinister because all the lawyering around it forces it to be devoid of actual content.
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Disagree. I'm a fan of intentionally vague when appropriate; I'm also a fan of laying out the facts when appropriate.

This is neither. This is a calculated attempt to spin it in the worst light possible, presumably to get the fans off the athletic department's back.

Intentionally vague would be saying, "it has become clear that going forward with Pearl would be detrimental to our program." That's true, and enough to fire him.

Saying "violations in March" was deliberate, to make the masses think better of this firing.
 
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StepCross said:
Disagree. I'm a fan of intentionally vague when appropriate; I'm also a fan of laying out the facts when appropriate.

This is neither. This is a calculated attempt to spin it in the worst light possible, presumably to get the fans off the athletic department's back.

Intentionally vague would be saying, "it has become clear that going forward with Pearl would be detrimental to our program." That's true, and enough to fire him.

Saying "violations in March" was deliberate, to make the masses think better of this firing.
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That may be true. But it's an accurate statement; I don't really see anything dishonest about it. And emain's right, it was going to come out at some point. I wouldn't let it bother me as bad if I were you. If it was some sort of gross exaggeration or something, I'd agree with you, but it's really not.
 
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Has this found its way to the boards yet?

@ClayTravisBGID: Volquest.com is reporting that March '11 NCAA violation by Pearl was extra game tickets given to player's family.

That's just a low blow right there. Really low blow and a poor attempt at justifying the firing to the masses.

EDIT: Just saw that this has been posted. Sorry for the repeat.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That may be true. But it's an accurate statement; I don't really see anything dishonest about it. And emain's right, it was going to come out at some point. I wouldn't let it bother me as bad if I were you. If it was some sort of gross exaggeration or something, I'd agree with you, but it's really not.
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No, you're right. It's factual, and it's not exaggeration.

It's spin. That's cool, I understand the need for spin. It's just that I got a little spun myself tonight, and it chaps me.

Enough griping about it, though. On to a new hire (which I remain excited about).
 
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StepCross said:
No, you're right. It's factual, and it's not exaggeration.

It's spin. That's cool, I understand the need for spin. It's just that I got a little spun myself tonight, and it chaps me.

Enough griping about it, though. On to a new hire (which I remain excited about).
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Exactly. It's going to be an interesting next few days. That's for sure.
 
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StepCross said:
Disagree. I'm a fan of intentionally vague when appropriate; I'm also a fan of laying out the facts when appropriate.

This is neither. This is a calculated attempt to spin it in the worst light possible, presumably to get the fans off the athletic department's back.

Intentionally vague would be saying, "it has become clear that going forward with Pearl would be detrimental to our program." That's true, and enough to fire him.

Saying "violations in March" was deliberate, to make the masses think better of this firing.
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But the masses manifestly don't think that there's enough to fire him. Look at the nimrods who have been posting here all day. Look at the idiots on the parking garage last night. When talking to UT fans in general, Hamilton does need to pile on a little bit to justify the firing. There's nothing wrong with adding a little dig in there that indicates that Pearl simply hasn't been able to stop breaking the rules. It's true, isn't it? And unlike us basement-dwelling message board denizens, your average UT fan doesn't know it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But the masses manifestly don't think that there's enough to fire him.
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Sure, which is why they did it.

My position is that it was unnecessary. Unwashed masses quiet down when they run out of energy.

They'll quiet down even more when we hire a great coach.

They'll REALLY shut up in June when Pearl has a show-cause order in hand.

No need for this IMO.

(but again, I'm about over it now...let's just focus on hiring a winner and keeping our players in the fold)
 
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I just can't bring myself to worry a shred about Bruce Pearl's dignity. He already took it away himself. The man burned down the basketball program; he may have ended Mike Hamilton's time at Tennessee. I wouldn't blame Hamilton if he'd held a press conference today and stood up and called Pearl an selfish a-hole who ruined his job.

Agreed that this won't really be over until Pearl gets hammered in June.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But the masses manifestly don't think that there's enough to fire him. Look at the nimrods who have been posting here all day. Look at the idiots on the parking garage last night. When talking to UT fans in general, Hamilton does need to pile on a little bit to justify the firing. There's nothing wrong with adding a little dig in there that indicates that Pearl simply hasn't been able to stop breaking the rules. It's true, isn't it? And unlike us basement-dwelling message board denizens, your average UT fan doesn't know it.
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I found someone that has surpassed Rucker today.... Clay travis has claimed the title in a land slide.

In addition to twitter.... dude went on Memphis radio...claimed the be the foremost "reporter" or "journalist" that covers the Vols....calles himself the "Pulse" of UT Athletics...blah blah bah... went on to say this is the most unpopular firing in modern day Athletics and that Tennessee's basketball program was finished....

Remembered your post from earlier and thought I would share :)
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But the masses manifestly don't think that there's enough to fire him. Look at the nimrods who have been posting here all day. Look at the idiots on the parking garage last night. When talking to UT fans in general, Hamilton does need to pile on a little bit to justify the firing. There's nothing wrong with adding a little dig in there that indicates that Pearl simply hasn't been able to stop breaking the rules. It's true, isn't it? And unlike us basement-dwelling message board denizens, your average UT fan doesn't know it.
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Sometimes less is more. If we would've issued a simple statement from the start, the categorical "This is what we're doing with Pearl now...and we will evaluate our options at the end of the season," then there would've been no need for this constant justification.

I don't blame the fans. For months, they received a message from UTAD and Cheek. If you've been a big fan of Bruce Pearl, then it is going to be difficult to understand a poorly-timed and handled about-face and then firing of the coach.

A non-committal front should have been put up in the first place. It wasn't. And UTAD now reaps the backlash for the inability to communicate with its fanbase.
 
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So, not only did he give extra tickets, it would seem he violated his off campus recruiting rule. Bruce Pearl is a damn moron.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Sometimes less is more. If we would've issued a simple statement from the start, the categorical "This is what we're doing with Pearl now...and we will evaluate our options at the end of the season," then there would've been no need for this constant justification.

I don't blame the fans. For months, they received a message from UTAD and Cheek. If you've been a big fan of Bruce Pearl, then it is going to be difficult to understand a poorly-timed and handled about-face and then firing of the coach.

A non-committal front should have been put up in the first place. It wasn't. And UTAD now reaps the backlash for the inability to communicate with its fanbase.
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I honestly feel bad for Cheek and Hamilton. They took a big risk when standing by Pearl. Most AD's would have fired him. Everything seemed to take care of itself. I think they were STILL going to stand by him with the September 14th violation.

Then Pearl goes out and gives extra tickets to a family (easy rule to remember), and (if Zasnow is correct) violated your own sanctions on him, you are in a tough spot. You have to fire him. No if's, and's, or but's. But because you stuck by him and Cheek said Bruce would be the coach for a long time, the fanbase is going to rip you to shreds because you look like the liar, even though Bruce just continously ****s up. I just feel bad for both of them. Tough situation.
 
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zjcvols said:
Hey Zas, he still do this ALONG with the extra ticket thing? Was that the non NCAA issues?
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Hot off the press from Andy Katz.


The non-NCAA related incident, multiple sources told ESPN.com's Andy Katz, was a violation of the Tennessee athletic department substance abuse policy by UT senior forward Brian Williams. Williams missed the last two regular-season games at South Carolina and at home against Kentucky due to what team officials said was a bad back.
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And for some reason there are still people blaming Cheeks and Hamilton for firing him over the tickets, because it was a small issue. When you commit many major violations, then you leave yourself no room for error. What do people not understand about this?
 
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zjcvols said:
So he lied to the media and his bosses? Am I incorrect in thinking that?
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I'm sure the UTAD knows about the drug tests before the coach does? I'm really confused about the drug incident being Pearl's fault unless the coaches are the only ones that find out about the drug results, which I highly doubt. Anyways, doesn't excuse the extra tickets.
 
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tvols75 said:
And for some reason there are still people blaming Cheeks and Hamilton for firing him over the tickets, because it was a small issue. When you commit many major violations, then you leave yourself no room for error. What do people not understand about this?
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So, since September 10th, he has done...

1) Commit the bump violation, which is easy to remember (confirmed by everyone).

2) Gave a player(s) extra tickets for a game (Hubbs reporting).

3) Lied to the media (and maybe his bosses) about a player who failed a drug test and said he had a bad back (Katz).

4) Violated his off campus recruiting violations which he agreed to (unconfirmed, but Zas is as reliable as they come on the board).

Incredible.
 
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tvols75 said:
I'm sure the UTAD knows about the drug tests before the coach does? I'm really confused about the drug incident being Pearl's fault unless the coaches are the only ones that find out about the drug results, which I highly doubt. Anyways, doesn't excuse the extra tickets.
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Yes, but he lied to the media about it. That might be what Katz is saying.
 
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