Another bad apple (George Floyd case)

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n_huffhines said:
You're confusing some rioters with all protesters. Some people are just plain bad people and want to see the world burn. I don't dispute this. That doesn't mean every protester breaking curfew is bad or has bad motives.
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It's insane that people don't understand this. Especially since most of the people complaining about it are firmly on the side of "a few bad apples don't make all police bad." I see a valid and direct analogy there.

And the point you're making is crystal clear and obvious to anyone with a brain.

1. Protesting = OK
2. Rioting/looting = BAD
3. Why riot/loot? = FED UP WITH POLICE BRUTALITY, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS POC
4. So rioting and looting are ok? = refer to #2

Some people are just little *****, as evidenced by the violence by rioters and ineptitude by a segment of LEO.

End of discussion.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
It's insane that people don't understand this. Especially since most of the people complaining about it are firmly on the side of "a few bad apples don't make all police bad." I see a valid and direct analogy there.

And the point you're making is crystal clear and obvious to anyone with a brain.

1. Protesting = OK
2. Rioting/looting = BAD
3. Why riot/loot? = FED UP WITH POLICE BRUTALITY, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS POC
4. So rioting and looting are ok? = refer to #2

Some people are just little *****, as evidenced by the violence by rioters and ineptitude by a segment of LEO.

End of discussion.
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Pretty much 100%, except I think that vandalizing government property to protest murder by government is justifiable, especially if it affects change.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm not saying they are "just" protesting police brutality. I am saying some of them are genuinely protesting brutality and Floyd. I am against the destruction of private property. **** a police car. This is a perfectly valid response to yet another murder by cop. I wouldn't do it myself, my style is peaceful protest, but no idea why the people who oppose them have to pretend a violent protest is not a protest.
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I agree in principle. But I think anyone protesting should be able to draw a line between what they are doing and how it is going to solve the problem they are protesting.

If someone can't do that, they deserve to be told their motives aren't what they say they are.

I don't have to agree it will work. But there has to be a rational explanation given.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Pretty much 100%, except I think that vandalizing government property to protest murder by government is justifiable, especially if it affects change.
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Well I understand where you're coming from, but I won't condone unlawful activity. I believe vandalizing government property would be illegal, even though it's supposed to be for the citizens' usages.

That's not to say it's ineffective...
 
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n_huffhines said:
Pretty much 100%, except I think that vandalizing government property to protest murder by government is justifiable, especially if it affects change.
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I sure hope it affects change. All this “violent protesting” aka looting, vandalism, and assault proves we need way more law enforcement equipped with means to subdue criminals quickly with less of a hands on approach. More use of tasers, tranquilizers, etc need to be used to subdue a suspect at the first sign of belligerence or resistance with the last means always being the use of lethal force.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Pretty much 100%, except I think that vandalizing government property to protest murder by government is justifiable, especially if it affects change.
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I agree with you on the war on drugs and wish it would change some of the things to do with that but what other change could it effect.... as long as their are police interactions which tend to be inherently violent..... someone will always be accused of crossing the line.
 
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I usually agree with Trey Gowdy, but he was just on tv saying he thinks Chauvin should be charged with Murder 1 since Floyd continually stated he could not breathe and was under duress. Says at some point they had to give him relief and aid, but did not and at that point it became intentional. I tend to believe it may be murder 2 or manslaughter conviction. Idk.
 
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Vol737 said:
I usually agree with Trey Gowdy, but he was just on tv saying he thinks Chauvin should be charged with Murder 1 since Floyd continually stated he could not breathe and was under duress. Says at some point they had to give him relief and aid, but did not and at that point it became intentional. I tend to believe it may be murder 2 or manslaughter conviction. Idk.
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Prosecutors have to be smart about this. You over reach on the charges, and he is found not guilty, things spin out of control fast.
 
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Gretchen Whitmer Silent After Governor’s Office Attacked by Rioters

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s (D) office building was attacked in downtown Lansing on Sunday, and so far, she has not responded to that, or the other destruction in the capital city.

The George Romney Building — named after Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-UT) father — suffered damage after rioters broke several windows and sprayed graffiti on pillars.

As of 11:30 p.m. ET Sunday night, Whitmer has not publicly commented on the violent “protesters.”

On Saturday, she “encouraged” cities to create “areas for peaceful demonstrations.”

Gretchen Whitmer Silent After Governor's Office Attacked by Rioters
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Gretchen Whitmer Silent After Governor’s Office Attacked by Rioters

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s (D) office building was attacked in downtown Lansing on Sunday, and so far, she has not responded to that, or the other destruction in the capital city.

The George Romney Building — named after Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-UT) father — suffered damage after rioters broke several windows and sprayed graffiti on pillars.

As of 11:30 p.m. ET Sunday night, Whitmer has not publicly commented on the violent “protesters.”

On Saturday, she “encouraged” cities to create “areas for peaceful demonstrations.”

Gretchen Whitmer Silent After Governor's Office Attacked by Rioters
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She only has something to say about citizens who disobey her COVID orders apparently.
 
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volfanhill said:
Prosecutors have to be smart about this. You over reach on the charges, and he is found not guilty, things spin out of control fast.
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I think a murder 3 or manslaughter charge has a high probability of conviction. Especially If the coroner report is right and it wasn’t asphyxiation that was actual cause of death. The only thing they have at that point is the officers intentionally doing nothing to help while he died.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree with you on the war on drugs and wish it would change some of the things to do with that but what other change could it effect.... as long as their are police interactions which tend to be inherently violent..... someone will always be accused of crossing the line.
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100% agree. No matter what, people are always going to focus on this. That being said, ending the war on drugs would dramatically reduce the number of interactions, and thus would dramatically reduce the number of bad interactions. It's just a no-brainer all the way around. It helps to solve so many problems, would be budget positive, and it's the type of policy* that's easiest for government to pull off in practice.

*laissez faire
 
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rjd970 said:
I think a murder 3 or manslaughter charge has a high probability of conviction. Especially If the coroner report is right and it wasn’t asphyxiation that was actual cause of death. The only thing they have at that point is the officers intentionally doing nothing to help while he died.
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I also think you are going to see federal civil rights abuse charges
 
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volfanhill said:
I also think you are going to see federal civil rights abuse charges
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And with all intents and purposes he basically ends up with a life sentence. 25 for 3rd murder (what ive read) 15 for the manslaughter (what ive read) add 20 for the hate crime and he never sees light outside of prison
 
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