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evillawyer said:
That's not common sense. If there were a ban on assault rifles (no new ones, no resales), their numbers would gradually shrink over time, if sold on the black market their price would be out of reach for many (especially young troubled men), and those young troubled men would not be able to acquire newly produced ones. That's. Common. Sense.
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So you start by conceding it would still happen you just rationalize hoping it won’t happen as often.

The numbers of weapons used in these events compared to already in circulation is already infinitesimally small so the likely outcome isn’t changed.

All law abiding citizens are needlessly punished for likely no change in outcome. And their chosen means to defend themselves is needlessly limited.

That’s common sense backed up by data on arms in circulation today. Not interested one damn bit. So if you want it get after changing the constitution or stfu cat lady.
 
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evillawyer said:
That's not common sense. If there were a ban on assault rifles (no new ones, no resales), their numbers would gradually shrink over time, if sold on the black market their price would be out of reach for many (especially young troubled men), and those young troubled men would not be able to acquire newly produced ones. That's. Common. Sense.
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We should try that since it’s worked so well for coke and heroin.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Hypothetical or not, it’s rather simple. Events like this will still happen after we ban assault weapons. So what’s plan B going to be?
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Well nothing has been banned and obviously these events keep happening and don’t move the needle enough for any type of serious action (or even contemplation/self-reflection for that matter) sooooo your hypothetical scenario seems more like a sci-fi/drama script than an eventuality as you make it seem.
 
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So for all of those who don't believe an assault rifle ban will lower the number of mass shootings, I assume you also believe abortion bans will have no effect on the number of abortions in the US, right?
 
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evillawyer said:
So for all of those who don't believe an assault rifle ban will lower the number of mass shootings, I assume you also believe abortion bans will have no effect on the number of abortions in the US, right?
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Yes.

And, assuming that you believe likewise, I don't understand how you can earnestly believe that banning guns will have an appreciable effect on crime.
 
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evillawyer said:
That's not common sense. If there were a ban on assault rifles (no new ones, no resales), their numbers would gradually shrink over time, if sold on the black market their price would be out of reach for many (especially young troubled men), and those young troubled men would not be able to acquire newly produced ones. That's. Common. Sense.
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What even is an "assault rifle"?
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You asked how we are unique in the equation. We are unique as a free country that has democrats ignoring that violence and embracing the legislation permitting it.

Put away your thesaurus. You don’t know how to use it.
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Need to borrow it? Lol
 
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evillawyer said:
And your proof for that is????

I admit they will likely continue to some degree since there are so many of those stupid things in circulation, but they will likely lessen over time.

What's the argument for why such a ban would have no effect? Most of the most recent mass shootings were with recently acquired AR-15s by late teen/early 20-something men. That demographic would have a hard(er) time getting them if there were a ban.
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Highlighted is demonstrably untrue unless you want to change the definition of mass shooting. The vast majority are with handguns. The term mass shooting refers to either 3 or 4 (definitions vary) people being shot in one incident.
 
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GAVol said:
What even is an "assault rifle"?
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You're gonna play this semantic game? It's not hard. It'll be defined by certain functionality in a statute. Nearly every act begins with a definition section. An assault rifle ban would be no exception.

I love how you guys think this is some deep, intractable metaphysical problem. It's not.
 
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GAVol said:
What even is an "assault rifle"?
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He like thinks an assault rifle is an M16 or AK 47 and he would be correct but that’s not what the vast majority of mass shooters are using. They are also already banned except for very specific permits so a ban on “assault weapons” would accomplish next to nothing. What they are really attempting to restrict is any weapon, semi automatic because you can’t purchase automatic weapons, that holds anything over an arbitrary number in the clip. That is the real definition of an “assault weapon”.
 
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evillawyer said:
You're gonna play this semantic game? It's not hard. It'll be defined by certainly functionality in a statute. Nearly every act begins with a definition section. An assault rifle ban would be no exception.

I love how you guys think this is some deep, intractable metaphysical problem. It's not.
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you are playing a semantic game by claiming most mass shootings involve AR-15s

to the second point the impact of the previous AW ban shows that simply banning a weapon class has virtually no impact on these events
 
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evillawyer said:
You're gonna play this semantic game? It's not hard. It'll be defined by certainly functionality in a statute. Nearly every act begins with a definition section. An assault rifle ban would be no exception.

I love how you guys think this is some deep, intractable metaphysical problem. It's not.
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All you had to say is that you can't define it.
 
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landscapingvol said:
He like thinks an assault rifle is an M16 or AK 47 and he would be correct but that’s not what the vast majority of mass shooters are using. They are also already banned except for very specific permits so a ban on “assault weapons” would accomplish next to nothing. What they are really attempting to restrict is any weapon, semi automatic because you can’t purchase automatic weapons, that holds anything over an arbitrary number in the clip. That is the real definition of an “assault weapon”.
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Bingo. By that definition, paintball could be illegal because the guns look scary and fire a lot of ammo.
 
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evillawyer said:
You're gonna play this semantic game? It's not hard. It'll be defined by certain functionality in a statute. Nearly every act begins with a definition section. An assault rifle ban would be no exception.

I love how you guys think this is some deep, intractable metaphysical problem. It's not.
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Last night you had a .22 as an assault weapon. Forgive me if I doubt your expertise in the matter.
 
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GAVol said:
Bingo. By that definition, paintball could be illegal because the guns look scary and fire a lot of ammo.
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You are correct. They look scary and you can add tactical components to them so you can look like you’re an ex Navy Seal but at the end of the day it’s still just a semi automatic rifle that is no different than dozens of other semi automatic rifles on the market. Quite frankly, many AR 15 lite rifles are complete, synthetic crap. The real ones are pretty pricey, north of $5-600 for a base model. Many of the sidewalk commandos walking around are carrying rifles worth 1k plus. That’s not something most Americans are willing to invest in a target rifle so even banning AR 15’s would likely do little. The Left’s target is the 2nd Amendment, most people with an ounce of common sense know that
 
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evillawyer said:
Not. A. Hard. Problem.

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I agree. Stop devaluing human life, promote the value of the nuclear family, revalue education, respect in the home, and quit deifying thuggish behavior in popular culture. Then, you will see a real impact on crime and violence, everything else is just window dressing. Unfortunately, the Left is more concerned about the rights of 1% of the population and abortion not actually preventing violence.
 
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evillawyer said:
That's not common sense. If there were a ban on assault rifles (no new ones, no resales), their numbers would gradually shrink over time, if sold on the black market their price would be out of reach for many (especially young troubled men), and those young troubled men would not be able to acquire newly produced ones. That's. Common. Sense.
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1. It is already extremely difficult to acquire an assault rifle. Long process, strict background check, prints, tax stamp.
2. Numbers of guns aren't going to shrink over time. I have restored a few relics from the 1930s-1950s that still shoot great. My dad has an 1890s rifle, fully functional. A well kept modern semi-auto rifle will be just fine in 100-200 years.

Look elsewhere for solutions. Plenty have been offered.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I agree. Stop devaluing human life, promote the value of the nuclear family, revalue education, respect in the home, and quit deifying thuggish behavior in popular culture. Then, you will see a real impact on crime and violence, everything else is just window dressing. Unfortunately, the Left is more concerned about the rights of 1% of the population and abortion not actually preventing violence.
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I would strongly add that a focus on the effects of social media and habitual drug use should be a priority.
 
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evillawyer said:
Not. A. Hard. Problem.

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The Ruger mini 14 was not on the original list. It’s not scary looking because most come with a wooden stock. However it has the same detachable mag and same round as the AR-15. And you can change out the unicorn friendly wooden stock for a collapsible synthetic stock with accessory rails in about 10 minutes. CA are idiots on guns.
 
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