Another start to the school year, another shooting; nothing will change

[lawgator1]

I thought about this earlier. If the FBI is aware they most likely made contact. Part of that contract should have been communicating the consequences of being irresponsible given the fact their kid has made threats to harm.

Yes but if so it's time to truly start holding parents responsible. I'm not talking a few years in jail, I'm talking a few decades

 

[C-south]

The laws we desperately need are to restrict gun ownership and to hold people accountable for the misuse of their guns.

If a lawyer defends someone in court and lose they should be subject to the same sentence as the person they are representing.

 

[KB5252]

This is so utterly ridiculously stupid.

I really don't think it is. If your kid has threatened to harm others you've been put on notice. You as a parent are at least partly responsible if you allow them access to your weapon

 

[OrangeTsar]

The laws we desperately need are to restrict gun ownership and to hold people accountable for the misuse of their guns.

Can you give us some possible details of what sort of laws you envision?

 

[TN Ribs]

That would apply to any rifle that isn't bolt action then. It's a dangerous proposition considering the reason our founding fathers afforded us the right to arms. Further complicated by or governments slow and steady encroachment upon our rights.

Yes, I know. You have it so hard because you can’t buy a machine gun. Hopefully you can get through it, we are all pulling for you.

 

[Vol737]

What it tells me is the government isn't able to adequately enforce the laws on the books, this is well established. Why would the answer be more laws of laws aren't even being properly enforced now?

Gun violence to me is usually pumped into three groups.

1) a person at the end of their rope and desperate, one who isn't thinking rationally and possibly mentally disturbed with underlying psychiatric issues.

2) a person who lives in the fringe of society, think outlaws, gangsters, drug dealers and ultra right wackos.

3) mentally ill, misfit, has trouble connecting with people and holding meaningful relationships, a ticking timebomb..... Usually has a lot on common with number 1

The laws in place in theory should catch and prevent a lot of these. What new laws short of complete ban would prevent gun violence from the groups above?

Exactly None.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I really don't think it is. If your kid has threatened to harm others you've been put on notice. You as a parent are at least partly responsible if you allow them access to your weapon

That might actually pass constitutional muster. But you know as well as I do that any person who wants a gun badly enough will manage to get one. And if not; they will use a butcher knife or a baseball bat.

 

[C-south]

I really don't think it is. If your kid has threatened to harm others you've been put on notice. You as a parent are at least partly responsible if you allow them access to your weapon

I’m sure they handed it right to him.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Yes, I know. You have it so hard because you can’t buy a machine gun. Hopefully you can get through it, we are all pulling for you.

Most liberals can’t explain the difference between a machine gun and a semiautomatic anyway. I don’t know how many dimocrat idiots in Congress I have heard talking about an AR-15 “spraying bullets”. And then you have THIS absolute idiot on the Supreme Court (who would be in charge of judging any laws further restricting gun ownership) who actually believes a bump stocks let’s you fire 800 rounds PER SECOND
"The function of this trigger is to cause this kind of damage, 800 rounds a second or whatever," Justice Jackson incorrectly claimed during the Wednesday oral arguments.”
Ah, one of our intellectual “betters” who arrogantly thinks they know better than the rest of us how the world should work.
So forgive me if I don’t trust people who know absolutely nothing about the subject trying to regulate things

 

[lawgator1]

If a lawyer defends someone in court and lose they should be subject to the same sentence as the person they are representing.

Not even remotely close analogy.

 

[Sandman 423]

Yes but if so it's time to truly start holding parents responsible. I'm not talking a few years in jail, I'm talking a few decades

Kudos.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

FBI sleeping at the wheel as usual ...

 

[luthervol]

FBI sleeping at the wheel as usual ...

What should they have done?

 

[KB5252]

Yes, I know. You have it so hard because you can’t buy a machine gun. Hopefully you can get through it, we are all pulling for you.

If you're a responsible member of society why should you not have access to the shoulder weapon your government could use against you?

 

[Sandman 423]

What should they have done?

Don’t know, and don’t know what they did, but I would hope they would have a talk with him and his parents at the very least.

 

[Vol737]

What should they have done?

Probably should’ve just have shot another unarmed man, woman and dog in Idaho and not worry about a legitimate threat to school kids.

 

[KB5252]

I’m sure they handed it right to him.

Doesn't matter, it should be locked away somewhere he doesn't have access to it as he cannot be trusted.

 

[luthervol]

Don’t know, and don’t know what they did, but I would hope they would have a talk with him and his parents at the very least.

They did that.

 

[Sandman 423]

They did that.

Then the parents should be charged as accomplices.

 

[luthervol]

Then the parents should be charged as accomplices.

Agreed.

 

[85SugarVol]

The fact that previous lame attempts at dealing with gun violence have not worked is no reason to stop the effort. It's simply telling us that what we've done is too weak.

That’s what they’re currently saying about “knife violence” in Britain.

 

[Vol737]

They did that.

If that’s the case and the parents didn’t secure those weapons, then I can agree they should be held legally responsible. My kids could never have gotten into my gun safe if they wanted to. There is a level of responsibility that should reasonably be expected if kids are in the house.

 

[luthervol]

That’s what they’re currently saying about “knife violence” in Britain.

Maybe we should compare knife deaths per capita in Britain to gun deaths per capita in the US.

 

[C-south]

Doesn't matter, it should be locked away somewhere he doesn't have access to it as he cannot be trusted.

What is deemed “access”? I mean they live in the same house so unless they just left it laying out for him to grab I find it difficult to just start throwing out blame to anyone and everyone.

 

[Sandman 423]

What is deemed “access”? I mean they live in the same house so unless they just left it laying out for him to grab I find it difficult to just start throwing out blame to anyone and everyone.

If the FBI talked to the parents as Luther said, they should be held just as accountable as the kid. Unless he was emancipated he is their responsibility.