Anthony Grant - Alabama

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KingNick865 said:
People keep mentioning the 0-16 start in '09 as a reason we shouldn't hire him. Well, Byron Scott is currently presiding over one of the worst teams in recent NBA history.

My point is that most NBA coaches, Frank and Scott included, have very little say in how their teams actually acquire talent. Therefore, to hold Frank's terrible start in his last year in New Jersey against him isn't looking at the whole picture.
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I'm not talking about Franks's last year in New Jersey necessarrily. Scott took them to two Finals' appearances and Frank could not get them out of the second round of the playoffs.

And they did it with basically the same team except for Vince Carter who was added the year after Scott left. And those players were still in there prime.
 
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VagabondVol said:
This is too simplistic. Bad CEO's often make unethical decisions that eventually blow up in their faces. What they couldn't see in the future was getting caught. Hamilton has done nothing unethical that anyone knows of (and I doubt there is anything unethical that he's hiding). It is Kiffin and Pearl who have been unethical. Firing Hamilton would be like firing the CEO for the unethical decisions of his employees.
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Who hired the unethical employees, and who was charged with their proper oversight, again?
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cd12 said:
You do realize that had Kiff stayed hammy would probably be looking for a FB and BB coach at the same time. I don't blame MH but SC did us a favor.
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I completely agree. I'm just saying that what these men did were things Hamilton could not have foreseen. I'm glad Kiffin left, but I don't blame Hamilton for Kiffin's actions.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I believe he coached 6 and a half years for the Nets. Being a coach that long in the NBA speaks volumes.
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Frank, 40, won his first 13 games with the Nets after being hired midway through the 2003-04 season , setting an NBA record for most consecutive wins to begin a coaching career. Frank was fired after an 0-16 start to the 2009-10 season, finishing 225-2
41 in his six-plus seasons at New Jersey.

I find it humorous that many of the same people who trashed DD and his losing record at LT are head over heels in love with this guy. It's not like after 6 seasons in the NBA Frank had very limited resources like DD did. Some of you crack me up.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Who hired the unethical employees, and who was charged with their proper oversight, again?
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Hamilton could perhaps implement better policies to fence in his coaches, but bad apples will find ways to be unethical regardless of the policies. Hamilton cannot follow these men to the bathroom and bug all their phone calls. These men made poor decisions. No AD is going to be able to implement policies that will keep them from doing unethical things. I think we would do more harm than good by getting rid of Hamilton right now. I think he will take some lessons from these coaches and improve the program for the future.
 
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#156
So, because Frank is a short, angry man we don't want him as coach? I thought it'd be better than a tan, lying man.
 
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Heebs said:
winning with Grant's players.
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I think we over do it with this argument sometimes IMO. In that case we should take 3 of Pearls seasons with grain of salt. He tore it up with Buzz's players his first year and was the greatest coach ever but other coaches are criticized for winning with other coaches players. Makes no sense. Plenty of coaches inherit talent and don't win. Gotta coach em up. Also, VCU lost their best player from Grant's run.
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Frank, 40, won his first 13 games with the Nets after being hired midway through the 2003-04 season , setting an NBA record for most consecutive wins to begin a coaching career. Frank was fired after an 0-16 start to the 2009-10 season, finishing 225-2
41 in his six-plus seasons at New Jersey.

I find it humorous that many of the same people who trashed DD and his losing record at LT are head over heels in love with this guy. It's not like after 6 seasons in the NBA Frank had very limited resources like DD did. Some of you crack me up.
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Are you really comparing the WAC to the NBA?
 
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ITSGR82BATNVOL said:
Frank, 40, won his first 13 games with the Nets after being hired midway through the 2003-04 season , setting an NBA record for most consecutive wins to begin a coaching career. Frank was fired after an 0-16 start to the 2009-10 season, finishing 225-2
41 in his six-plus seasons at New Jersey.

I find it humorous that many of the same people who trashed DD and his losing record at LT are head over heels in love with this guy. It's not like after 6 seasons in the NBA Frank had very limited resources like DD did. Some of you crack me up.
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:ermm:

Derek Dooley went 17-20 in the WAC

Lawrence Frank went 225-241 in the NBA. Take out the horrific start to the season and he is 225-225.

So, let's say Tom Izzo took over the Cavs this year, and in three years he went 75-168 (25 wins a year, which would be likely in my opinion). Let's say the UT job opened up in three years and Izzo was interested. Would you say no to Tom Izzo because he sucked in the NBA?
 
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peyton=legend said:
I'm not talking about Franks's last year in New Jersey necesarrily. Scott took them to two Finals' appearances and Frank could not get them out of the second round of the playoffs.

And they did it with basically the same team except for Vince Carter who was added the year after Scott left. And those players were still in there prime.
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Look at the teams that the Nets had to play. In 2004-2005, the Nets played the Heat, who finished that year with a 59-23 record, and finished 1st in the division. They won a series with the Pacers the next year, and won that, but lost to the eventual NBA champs, the Heat.

In '06-'07, the Nets finished 41-41, and beat 47-35 Toronto in the first round, before losing to a LeBron-led Cavs team. '07-'08 saw the Nets trade Kidd mid-season, and saw Vince Carter's productivity decrease.

From there, the Nets went down the hole. For the last game of Frank's tenure in New Jersey, the starting lineup was. . . .

G - Devin Harris
G - Chris Douglas-Roberts
G - Trenton Hassell
F - Brook Lopez
F - Josh Boone
 
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VagabondVol said:
This is too simplistic. Bad CEO's often make unethical decisions that eventually blow up in their faces. What they couldn't see in the future was getting caught. Hamilton has done nothing unethical that anyone knows of (and I doubt there is anything unethical that he's hiding). It is Kiffin and Pearl who have been unethical. Firing Hamilton would be like firing the CEO for the unethical decisions of his employees.
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his problems are more than the unethical decisions of the employees he has hired.
 
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Wouldn't mind getting Grant. He obviously left Shaka Smart with some talent at VCU, otherwise they wouldn't be as successful right now. He has also rejuvenated an Alabama team much quicker than expected. I think he would fit in rather well here, and could recruit well for us.
 
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peyton=legend said:
I'm not talking about Franks's last year in New Jersey necessarrily. Scott took them to two Finals' appearances and Frank could not get them out of the second round of the playoffs.

And they did it with basically the same team except for Vince Carter who was added the year after Scott left. And those players were still in there prime.
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In three of four cases, Frank's Nets team lost to the Eastern Conference champion. In two cases, it was the NBA Champion. In the third case, it was LeBron. That's okay with me. The other was when New Jersey was an 8 seed. Remind me how many 8 seeds have won their first round series?

OrangeInKy said:
I think we over do it with this argument sometimes IMO. In that case we should take 3 of Pearls seasons with grain of salt. He tore it up with Buzz's players his first year and was the greatest coach ever but other coaches are criticized for winning with other coaches players. Makes no sense. Plenty of coaches inherit talent and don't win. Gotta coach em up. Also, VCU lost their best player from Grant's run.
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The argument isn't that he wins with someone else's guys. The argument is that he's never won with his own guys. Pearl has done both. Smart hasn't.
 
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JZVOL said:
Great point, Frank had autonomy over all personnel move just as Scott did... glad to see you still don't have a clue.
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zjcvols said:
:ermm:

Derek Dooley went 17-20 in the WAC

Lawrence Frank went 225-241 in the NBA. Take out the horrific start to the season and he is 225-225.

So, let's say Tom Izzo took over the Cavs this year, and in three years he went 75-168 (25 wins a year, which would be likely in my opinion). Let's say the UT job opened up in three years and Izzo was interested. Would you say no to Tom Izzo because he sucked in the NBA?
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Your comparison falls apart because Frank does not have the track record of being a successful college head coach. He was an average NBA coach. He took over a powerful team that did not want a strong willed head coach. The players liked him initially because he granted them a great deal of freedom. However, once the pressure and intensity of the playoffs began, the teams seemed to underachieve.
 
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#170
FearlessFreep said:
UT will not hire a coach who has no college HEAD coaching experience. Period.

It isn't going to happen.
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so your saying if hamilton received a phone call tonight from Frank and Frank informed him he would accept the job for the right salary, hamilton would tell him no because he's never been a head coach in college?
 
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KingNick865 said:
Look at the teams that the Nets had to play. In 2004-2005, the Nets played the Heat, who finished that year with a 59-23 record, and finished 1st in the division. They won a series with the Pacers the next year, and won that, but lost to the eventual NBA champs, the Heat.

In '06-'07, the Nets finished 41-41, and beat 47-35 Toronto in the first round, before losing to a LeBron-led Cavs team. '07-'08 saw the Nets trade Kidd mid-season, and saw Vince Carter's productivity decrease.

From there, the Nets went down the hole. For the last game of Frank's tenure in New Jersey, the starting lineup was. . . .

G - Devin Harris
G - Chris Douglas-Roberts
G - Trenton Hassell
F - Brook Lopez
F - Josh Boone
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Frank had the same team as Scott for three years and did not do as well as him in any of those seasons.

And with Scott they lost to the eventual NBA champ twice because they made it to the flippin Finals twice.
They didn't have to play the first place team in the East the years Scott was there because they were the first place team... Come on now
 
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#172
LawVol13 said:
It's amazing to me that someone actually believes firing your AD in the middle of a coaching search would be a smart move.
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To Mr. Mike Hamilton who has completely destroyed a major SEC athletic department. Why would any coach want to work for him is beyond me.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
so your saying if hamilton received a phone call tonight from Frank and Frank informed him he would accept the job for the right salary, hamilton would tell him no because he's never been a head coach in college?
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If Phil Jackson rang, Hamilton wouldn't even bother taking his call.
 
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