Anyone other than Butch Jones

[NashVol11]

Let's fix this list. All those coaches I deleted are not better than Jones.

Jones is a better coach than Steve Spurrier now?

 

[NashVol11]

It's amazing how you can slap a logo on someone and some assume genius until proven otherwise.

Blows my mind every single time.

 

[governmentmule]

and he also got taken to the woodshed by derek dooley.

i don't want to be misunderstood here. i like the guy. i think he can get it done.

but, there is an irrational euphoria people are beginning to have about the guy. people are going to need to stick with him because this season is going to be rough. i believe the people building him up to be the second coming are going to be the first to try to bury him when miracles don't happen in season 1.

the euphoria,is a new coach,that has hit the ground a running,which is a great thing for sure,the irrational part will come after a few losses and what will most likely be another ugly season,i do think he will win 5 to 6 games,if it is anything above that,i will be flat out impressed and your right about him being over hyped right now,i won't be surprised at all when some start start calling for his head,after a couple of ugly games ,hopefully he will get the time he needs

 

[KoachKletus]

I'm still laughing at the grooodenites. And the looeyville troll gives me a chuckle every now and then.

 

[Burger]

and he also got taken to the woodshed by derek dooley.

i don't want to be misunderstood here. i like the guy. i think he can get it done.

but, there is an irrational euphoria people are beginning to have about the guy. people are going to need to stick with him because this season is going to be rough. i believe the people building him up to be the second coming are going to be the first to try to bury him when miracles don't happen in season 1.

I both understand and agree. He's going to win 7 games with a 5 win roster.

 

[Burger]

Jones is a better coach than Steve Spurrier now?

Steve Spurrier is not the same guy he was 10 years ago. Butch recruits better, and works harder. It's more of a tie, but I would rather have Butch.

 

[rcvol]

?..... Ok I know CBJ has done nothing for us on the field YET. Assuming the on field progress goes as well as our image and recruiting have under CBJ. Is there any other collage coach you would rather have right now. (excluding what many would consider the best 2 and biggest 2 a$$es Saban,Meyer)

I ask cause I like many was skeptical at the hiring of CBJ, but have been totally wowed by what he has done so far. And couldn't imagine right now wanting anyone else to be our coach.A complete turn around from when he was hired. I'll hang up and listen.......GBO,VFL

Before ya'll get too excited about our recruiting, keep in mind that Kentucky is 3rd in recruiting at this point according to Rivals (we are #2). We should finish with a top 15 class but I seriously doubt we will finish ahead of Bama, Florida, LSU, or Georgia. Just a dose of reality. Those teams aren't blowing their wads just yet like we are.

 

[GAVol]

Steve Spurrier is not the same guy he was 10 years ago. Butch recruits better, and works harder. It's more of a tie, but I would rather have Butch.

Until proven otherwise over about 5 years, no way I'm buying that.

 

[notabed22]

Until proven otherwise over about 5 years, no way I'm buying that.

People also wouldn't take Saban over Jones, so there's a certain grain of salt with which an opposition to Spurrier should be taken.

Butch Jones may go down in history as the greatest Tennessee Volunteers coach ever. He may also post 4-8, 5-7 and 5-7 records over his first three seasons and be the worst. Until he coaches a game at UT, there are certainly at least ten to fifteen coaches whom even the biggest sunshine pumper should desire as head coach over a man that hasn't coached for one moment in the SEC or BCS conference that isn't the Big East.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Saban, Meyer, Petersen, Patterson, Miles, Strong, Tuberville, Swinney, Briles, Gundy, Brown, Holgorsen, Ferentz, Hoke, Pelini, Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Kelly, Shaw, Kiffin, Whittingham, Leach, Malzahnn, Muschamp, Richt, Freeze, Sumlin, Spurrier, Franklin...

I think that's it.

Oh, wait. Beamer.

You simply aren’t worth the bother of a point-counterpoint analysis of this entire laundry list but, by all means, let’s critique a few of your candidates as “superior” to Butch Jones:

Lane Kiffin: He has more experience as head coach at the SEC/Pac 12 level but MOST DEFINITELY HAS NOT ENJOYED MORE SUCCESS. Notwithstanding the great recruiting hotbed of USC which he currently has at his disposal, Kiffin is 32-19 overall as a college head coach and 21-14 in conference play. No clear-cut advantage and certainly no conference championships here. In light of his scorched-earth departure, you would be exceedingly hard pressed to find any Tennessee fan that would want Kiffin back over Jones at this point.

Kevin Sumlin: Sure, he did an excellent job of utilizing Johnny Manziel, but how many times is a new coach fortunate enough to inherit a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback? If you take last season out of the equation and simply compare Sumlin's record at Houston vs. Butch's at Central Michigan and Cincinnati, they are quite comparable. Sumlin was 35-17 overall, with a 24-8 conference record and two conference championships. Butch was 50-27 overall, with a 32-12 conference record (combined), two outright conference championships and two shared conference championships.

Gus Malzahn: Yes, he did great things as an offensive coordinator but he has exactly one year experience as a head coach, a 9-3 campaign at Arkansas State. The jury is out on him as a head coach more than it is on Butch Jones.

Charlie Strong: Yes, Tennessee wanted him first and, yes, he is an excellent coach, but again let’s look purely at the numbers. 25-14 record overall and 13-8 conference record, including two conference championships shared with, oh yes, Cincinnati, and a 1-2 head-to-head record vs. Butch. The only trump card Strong has is a victory over a thoroughly uninterested Florida team. I give all the credit and congratulations in the world to Louisville for that victory and regard Florida with utter disdain for being unable to get motivated for an appearance in the SUGAR BOWL, for crying out loud. But, no, I do not concede your assertion that Strong is categorically a better coach than Butch.

Art Briles: Yep, he has more experience as a head coach, but, again, let us critique the numbers. Overall record: 67-58. Conference record: 41-41 (combined for Houston and Baylor). One outright championship at Houston and one shared championship at that school but none at Baylor, despite the fact that he had a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback. Case: utterly unproven.

Brady Hoke: Yes, he has more experience as a head coach, including two years at Michigan. Once again, however, the numbers do not support an assumption of clear-cut superiority over Butch. Overall record: 66-57. Conference record (combined): 46-33. His last two years, considering the competition, have actually been his most successful ones: 19-7 overall and 12-4 in conference play. His previous eight seasons at Ball State and San Diego State produced a combined 47-50 record, including a 34-29 mark in conference play, and one conference division title at Ball State. Case: utterly unproven.

Your schtick and constant anti-Tennessee diatribes are a minor nuisance or irritant in the “Around the NCAA” forum. They are patently unwelcome in the “Tennessee Vols Football” forum.

 

[notabed22]

You simply aren’t worth the bother of a point-counterpoint analysis of this entire laundry list but, by all means, let’s critique a few of your candidates as “superior” to Butch Jones:

I never said they were "categorically superior" to Butch Jones, just that I'd take all of them as a head coach over Butch at this point in time. Hell, with the exception of Briles, I'd rather have any one of them helming Louisville at this point over Strong. Also, you left off around 25 names, either due to time constraints or you agreeing that a lot of the people I listed would be preferable to Jones at the current time.

As for Kiffin, that's sort of a difficult choice. I'm not sure that I'd necessarily take Kiffin over Butch to coach UT this season, especially considering his departure. I was thinking more along the lines that I'd rather Kiffin have never left UT because, frankly, I think they'd be a Top 10 team right now.

 

[99gator]

with regard to kevin sumlin, the man has produced big time offenses every year.

i would also argue that he did not really "inherit" manziel. manziel never played a down and nobody outside the state of texas knew who the hell he was.

while we can argue about how special manziel is, there aren't too many schools and too many coaches he could have played for where he would have produced anywhere close to those results.

it's on a different level, but it would be like dismissing spurrier's success in 1990 because he "inherited" the 1990 sec player of the year, shane matthews.

 

[NashVol11]

Your schtick and constant anti-Tennessee diatribes are a minor nuisance or irritant in the “Around the NCAA” forum. They are patently unwelcome in the “Tennessee Vols Football” forum.

 

[NashVol11]

And, Strong actually won a real Big East title. So there's that.

 

[sanddune50]

Saban, Meyer, Petersen, Patterson, Miles, Strong, Tuberville, Swinney, Briles, Gundy, Brown, Holgorsen, Ferentz, Hoke, Pelini, Fitzgerald, O'Brien, Kelly, Shaw, Kiffin, Whittingham, Leach, Malzahnn, Muschamp, Richt, Freeze, Sumlin, Spurrier, Franklin...

I think that's it.

Oh, wait. Beamer.

Cool, a random clown with no merit decided to make up an imaginary list of who he would take if he were ever in a position to hire a D1 college coach.

By the way Butch is 2-1 head to head against Strong and out recruited him on even footing when he was at Cincy compared to Strong's efforts at Louisville. But it's real sweet you included Charlie in your make believe list.

 

[sanddune50]

And, Strong actually won a real Big East title. So there's that.

:unsure: vs. a Fake Big East title?

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

I would rather have all of those coaches as a head coach over Butch Jones. Tennessee, apparently, agrees since they've tried and failed to woo several of them. If you'd like to opine as to why certain names I listed wouldn't be ahead of Butch Jones on your list, please do so.

Oh. Forgot to mention Petrino and Bielema.

Any list that includes Dana Holgerson or Blackbeard the Pirate loses all credibility.
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[sanddune50]

and he also got taken to the woodshed by derek dooley.

i don't want to be misunderstood here. i like the guy. i think he can get it done.

but, there is an irrational euphoria people are beginning to have about the guy. people are going to need to stick with him because this season is going to be rough. i believe the people building him up to be the second coming are going to be the first to try to bury him when miracles don't happen in season 1.

Didn't realize coaches played each other head to head. By that logic, Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe's coach the first year he was at Bama. Does that make whoever that coach was better than Saban? Completely stupid argument.

Anyone that buries him after season 1 shares the same level of intellect as I'm seeing from rival fan bases within this very thread.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I never said they were "categorically superior" to Butch Jones, just that I'd take all of them as a head coach over Butch at this point in time. Hell, with the exception of Briles, I'd rather have any one of them helming Louisville at this point over Strong. Also, you left off around 25 names, either due to time constraints or you agreeing that a lot of the people I listed would be preferable to Jones at the current time.

As for Kiffin, that's sort of a difficult choice. I'm not sure that I'd necessarily take Kiffin over Butch to coach UT this season, especially considering his departure. I was thinking more along the lines that I'd rather Kiffin have never left UT because, frankly, I think they'd be a Top 10 team right now.

I said, at the outset, that I wasn't going to provide a point-counterpoint analysis of every name on your list. Sure, there are names on there with which I agree but there is also a world of difference between them being "better" in an ideal world where everybody is available for the hypothetical purposes of argument vs. coaches who could actually be wooed from their current assignments. Every shred of information that we had going into this coaching hire indicated that "money would not be an obstacle" in recruitment of the very best available coach. Personally, I wish they had made Gary Patterson say "No amount of money will make me leave TCU for Tennessee." His tough defensive style of play would translate very well to the SEC. Saying that you would rather have Saban, Miles, Spurrier, Stoops, Meyer, Petersen, Kelly or Patterson is meaningless in one sense, simply because they are thoroughly entrenched in their current positions and would have absolutely no motivation whatsoever to take over a rebuilding project at UT or anywhere else for that matter.

As for Kiffin, he played a high risk-high reward game of recruiting. Character does not seem to have been a consideration on his radar screen; he may well have restored us to top-10 status although he found recruiting to be much harder work than he was accustomed to at USC, where he could simply walk over to the nearest palm tree, shake vigorously and watch division 1 prospects fall out of the sky. On the other hand, Kiffin may have landed us very deep in NCAA probation land. With respect to Butch's future prospects at Tennessee, I will let Chris Mortensen have the last say on the matter: "Nick Saban was only 5 games over .500, 0-3 in bowl games at Mich St when LSU hired. Give a Butch Jones the Vols/SEC resources, watch out." Chris Mortensen tweets: Nick Saban was only 5 games over .500, 0-3 in bowl games at Mich St when LSU hired. Give a Butch Jones the Vols/SEC resources, watch out. - Dec 07 -277125585107562496

 

[NashVol11]

:unsure: vs. a Fake Big East title?

Versus the kind where you end up in the Belk Bowl playing Duke.

 

[UTProf]

I might take Harbaugh (take your pick which one).

I kind of sneered when CBJ said he'd assemble the best coaching staff but I've had a change of tune. Instead of hiring up and coming and soon to be HC's, CBJ has a united staff that have been with hiim a long time and there appears to be great chemistry. CBJ is clearly the leader but this coaching staff seems to emphasize TEAMWORK amongst themselves as much they demand it from their players.

I'd like to see any of the 32 coaches mentioned by one poster do what CBJ has done so far. I may have agreed with him in December but now it's June. The guy has a great record following him and he's showing his recruiting abilities.

That right there is the part of CBJ that is very much like Fulmer and it was key to making Fulmer great. People can argue in hindsight that Fulmer might've been too loyal to his staff but it worked magic for us a good 90 percent of the time.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

and he also got taken to the woodshed by derek dooley.

i don't want to be misunderstood here. i like the guy. i think he can get it done.

but, there is an irrational euphoria people are beginning to have about the guy. people are going to need to stick with him because this season is going to be rough. i believe the people building him up to be the second coming are going to be the first to try to bury him when miracles don't happen in season 1.

The latter assertion is true of wide-eyed optimists, if there are any left at this point, and Negavols, aka Legions of the Miserable, who are much harder to find these days. Yes, we are justifiably excited with the direction that Butch has the program heading. As much time as you spend on this forum, however, I would think that you should be aware that most Tennessee fans do not realistically expect more than a 6-6 or 7-5 season this year. We also expect, more than anything else, to see a better disciplined, better coached, better conditioned team that improves from week to week and exhibits a fight-to-the-finish mentality. I will be very surprised if Butch does not measure up to those rather modest expectations.

 

[UTProf]

And, Strong actually won a real Big East title. So there's that.

Jones is 2-1 vs. Strong.

 

[sanddune50]

Versus the kind where you end up in the Belk Bowl playing Duke.

Lackluster effort IMO.

 

[notabed22]

Didn't realize coaches played each other head to head. By that logic, Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe's coach the first year he was at Bama. Does that make whoever that coach was better than Saban? Completely stupid argument.

Uh, buddy...

By the way Butch is 2-1 head to head against Strong and out recruited him on even footing when he was at Cincy compared to Strong's efforts at Louisville. But it's real sweet you included Charlie in your make believe list.