Ap Top 25, Vols #5

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volfan_28 said:
I don’t think LSU gets in with a win against UGA. Can’t just pretend they didn’t lose to FSU
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I'm with u on this. If LSU wins it just means the SEC won't send it's champ. Boo Carrigan said when the 1st ranking came out that the committee put more into who u beat than what conference you were from. He stated very clearly that we were #1 because we beat Bama & LSU. While we did lose to a top 3 team the other variable hasn't change. Only thing different now is Georgia beat 2 top 10 teams. We still beat Bama & LSU plus 3 other ranked opponents. As long as we win out I think we're good. Who else played 60-70% of their schedule vs ranked opponents. This is the first time our schedule might work out in our favor
 
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UTwild82 said:
Even if LSU wins SECCG, that doesn't mean they get in. In 2016 Penn St had 2 losses and beat Ohio St to give them their only loss. Penn St was B1G champ and Ohio St still got in playoff.
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That just aint right.

If you arent good enough to win your Conference...how the hell you gonna be goood enough to claim to be the National champ.
I suppose everyone just wants it to be a torunament champ and devalue the season and conferences.

Makes zero sense to me.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
That just aint right.

If you arent good enough to win your Conference...how the hell you gonna be goood enough to claim to be the National champ.
I suppose everyone just wants it to be a torunament champ and devalue the season and conferences.

Makes zero sense to me.
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I’m with you. Of course it’s impossible with 5 major conferences to play into a 4 team playoff.
But what are we even doing if conference champs can be left out? Is Tennessee a better team than the PAC 12 champ? Maybe. But that’s not the PAC 12 champ’s fault. They play the schedule in front of them. Not every team can play each other. If we’re not actually going to take game results into account then they shouldn’t even be played.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So a team that beat a ranked OM, #6 Bama and #1 UGA in the SECCG ISNT going to the playoffs? Sorry but yes they are. By virtue of how difficult the SEC is, the SEC champ always gets in. Bad losses happen. The FSU loss was early when Kelly and his staff were new.

Do you think FSU would keep it within 21 ir 24 if they played LSU again? No. Do you think we roll them by 27 in their house again? No.
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LSU winning the SEC doesn't automatically get them in. There have been 2 SEC schools who won the national title in the last 5yrs that didn't win the SEC. Georgia did it last year and Bama won the title in 2017 without playing in the SEC title game. LSU would have beaten OM, Bama, & UGA in this scenario but they lost to FSU & lost by 26 at home to us. That makes them 3-2 vs ranked opponents. Tennessee is 5-1 vs ranked opponents. The committee went by who u played & beat in the 1st rankings. If they stick to that script we have a better SOS & SOR than anyone in the top 10. Honestly the way the schedules shake out the rest of the way for OSU, Mich, Oregon, TCU, USC, & UCLA we're in a really good position. 3 of those teams will eliminate themselves because they play each other. TCU has 2 big road games plus a title game left to play. There are 2 spots left after UGA, & Much/OSU winner. LSU, Oregon, & TCU might all win their conference with 2 losses and their resumes won't be stronger than ours
 
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UTwild82 said:
Even if LSU wins SECCG, that doesn't mean they get in. In 2016 Penn St had 2 losses and beat Ohio St to give them their only loss. Penn St was B1G champ and Ohio St still got in playoff.
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The reason that PSU didn't get in was because of a loss to Pitt and another total blowout loss to Michigan - something like 49-10. There was no way the committee could justify putting them in
 
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Volunteer1950 said:
The reason that PSU didn't get in was because of a loss to Pitt and another total blowout loss to Michigan - something like 49-10. There was no way the committee could justify putting them in
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True, but we beat LSU in Baton Rouge by 27, so I don't see them putting them in with a worse record than us.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Had Bama or Clemson not lost, I would agree. However, with their losses, we are in the playoff at 11-1. Clemson losing means a 1 loss team will make the playoff. We were ranked #1 in the first rankings and no initial #1 team has missed the playoff with 0 or 1 losses. 11-1 and we are going to playoff.
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That "precedent" doesn't mean anything. It's not something the committee looks at. It could happen that we are out with 1 loss. I bet it won't. We just need to take care of business these next 3 games and put up video game numbers in the process. It sure would be nice to see the team play that "A-game" that we haven't seen yet this season, in all 3 reg season games left.
 
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I personally think that the committee wants Tennessee in, because they chose to put us number one when they didn’t have to. They could’ve put Georgia number one with us 2, and nobody would have thought anything of it. But in doing so, they insulated from falling out entirely with a loss to Georgia. Their initial thoughts on us favors us going forward in my opinion.
 
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901 Orange said:
LSU winning the SEC doesn't automatically get them in. There have been 2 SEC schools who won the national title in the last 5yrs that didn't win the SEC. Georgia did it last year and Bama won the title in 2017 without playing in the SEC title game. LSU would have beaten OM, Bama, & UGA in this scenario but they lost to FSU & lost by 26 at home to us. That makes them 3-2 vs ranked opponents. Tennessee is 5-1 vs ranked opponents. The committee went by who u played & beat in the 1st rankings. If they stick to that script we have a better SOS & SOR than anyone in the top 10. Honestly the way the schedules shake out the rest of the way for OSU, Mich, Oregon, TCU, USC, & UCLA we're in a really good position. 3 of those teams will eliminate themselves because they play each other. TCU has 2 big road games plus a title game left to play. There are 2 spots left after UGA, & Much/OSU winner. LSU, Oregon, & TCU might all win their conference with 2 losses and their resumes won't be stronger than ours
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Winning the SEC is an automatic playoff spot. Show me actual proof otherwise.
 
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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
You can still have neutral site playoffs. I just mean the teams that get in should be based on game results and nothing else. No strength of schedule. No performance analysis against weaker teams. You want to use conference championships to determine it? Fine. But the result should speak for itself. A two loss team goes to their conference championship and beats an undefeated team? The winner advances.
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Yeah, I get that, I was thinking from the Tennessee perspective. If you pretend we’re the #1 team in the country based on talent, we could still easily lose to #2 UGA on the road and then be robbed of a playoff for losing one game on the road to the second best team with that system, which is unfair compared to all the other teams who got to play them at home that year. In the NFL, they have home and away for the regular season to make the division winner arrangement more fair.
 
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A one loss conf champ Oregon could conceivably get the invite over us, but it wouldn’t make much sense. Us and Oregon would have a common loss to GA, and it has to matter that they beat us by 14, them by 46.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Winning the SEC is an automatic playoff spot. Show me actual proof otherwise.
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No it absolutely is not. And why do you always default to the “show me proof” argument when people disagree with you? You’re in the minority on this so how about you show us proof that a 2-loss team can get in over a 1-loss team from the same conference.
 
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Volfootball55 said:
Tennessee has by far the best loss in America. The committee will look at the Georgia vs Oregon game at a neutral site then look at UT on the road in that environment with our strength of schedule and only 27-13. It's not comparable. So I believe that automatically eliminates the Pac12 from contention because whether Oregon or USC win they just haven't won against anyone else substantial. Clemson is absolutely done. LSU is not getting in even with an SEC championship, we embarrassed them at home. I think we are a shoo in if TCU losses and we win out. Probably gonna be #1 Georgia, #2 Ohio state/Michigan, #3 Ohio state/Michigan/TCU(if they don't lose), #4 Tennessee.

It's possible if TCU looses and Oregon or USC win convincingly they get in at 3 or 4, but I still think if UT and Michigan and TCU are sitting there at 1 loss it's UT everytime.

I know everyone is reeling and disappointed but give it a week or two and do our part and we absolutely will be talked about again as one of the best teams in America. Just my opinion.

I think the committee has shown and understands that sometimes a top team can have an everything go wrong day, that was us yesterday (and Georgia is currently the best team in CFB), the committee showed this last year with Georgia. The Alabama and LSU victories are a major feather in our cap.
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Great insights, thanks for this. 👍
 
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Oregon will have a solid resume if they win out and win the PAC 12 championship. They'd have numerous top 25 wins at that point and possibly 2 top 10 wins like us. Definitely will help Tennessee's chances if TCU loses.
 
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VOLumeS said:
Very possibly could be Georgia, Ohio state, TCU, and Oregon. (Oregon although not a better resume but they respect power 5 champs.)
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Oregon plays #14 Utah and then #23 Oregon State and then could play #8 USC in the PACCG..if they win out the conference championship on the resume plus them having 5 wins against ranked teams might hurt us....we need some impressive wins to close out the year.
 
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SouthKnoxVol70,How would we be out?If LSU wins the west,Ga. the east,and LSU beats Ga. we would be in because of strength of schedule AND the fact we sh.t-stomped LSU at LSU 40-13.A complete total ass-kick AT LSU.
 
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If Oregon wins out/Pac 12 Champs they are in, If TCU wins out/ Big 12 Champ they are in, Ohio State /Big10 champ is in and whoever the SEC champ is they are in, we better hope Oregon or TCU loses or we are out.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Very. Obviously the committee could choose some 1-loss conference champs over us but I truly believe more chaos is to come. TCU will lose, the Pac12 champ will have 2 losses, and even Clemson could lose again if Dabo doesn’t change QBs.
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Agree..TCU is 7 pt Dogs at Texas Sat..Texas will beat them I believe.
 
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