Arizona Election Audit

[utvolpj]

Any they all say to lower or eliminate..do you have anything else you was that you big reveal??

Infrastructure, lobbyists in govt, ACA replace, lock her up, cut spending, take on dept of Ed, get a reimbursement check from Mexico, real immigration reform, etc.

When you think about it he really didn't do that much. Maybe that's a positive?

 

[utvolpj]

You're not helping your case. Just continue to support a one party rule and complain about it.

I stated quite a few times I don't support the 2 major parties. I get that you desperately want to apply that label but it doesn't fit

 

[utvolpj]

A smart person would've realized it was just talk. I voted for the 4 things you claim you want and got 2 out of 4. As a bonus, the corrupted gov that we have unmasked themselves because of their hatred for a candidate they didn't approve of. Probably the single greatest thing to come out of a Trump presidency.

Which 2 did you get? How many bases were closed? How much spending was cut? How much did the govt actually shrink? I'm what way are you more free?

 

[tnmarktx]

I stated quite a few times I don't support the 2 major parties. I get that you desperately want to apply that label but it doesn't fit

I've stated many times, there are not 2 parties. There's a major one party rule and there's opposition to that one party. Trump got painted into a corner as the opposition and you obviously opposed that.

 

[utvolpj]

I've stated many times, there are not 2 parties. There's a major one party rule and there's opposition to that one party. Trump got painted into a corner as the opposition and you obviously opposed that.

I am opposed to most of Trump's policy action/inaction. You claim he's a liar just like all the rest so actions are all I have.

 

[tnmarktx]

Which 2 did you get? How many bases were closed? How much spending was cut? How much did the govt actually shrink? I'm what way are you more free?

I got no new wars and someone wasn't lobbying to take my choice of recreation and personal protection away from me. I got at least a hint of a president that cared more about the populous than it did about China.

 

[tnmarktx]

I am opposed to most of Trump's policy action/inaction. You claim he's a liar just like all the rest so actions are all I have.

You're for open borders? You're more for China than the people of this country?

 

[utvolpj]

I got no new wars and someone wasn't lobbying to take my choice of recreation and personal protection away from me. I got at least a hint of a president that cared more about the populous than it did about China.

I never listed no new wars and Trump did affect the 2a negatively.

 

[utvolpj]

You're for open borders? You're more for China than the people of this country?

I'm for actual immigration reform that addresses the border and the need for labor. That doesn't include a monument with siphoned funds

 

[tnmarktx]

I never listed no new wars and Trump did affect the 2a negatively.

Rank the presidents in your lifetime and how they effected the 2a? I also stated that he caved to the uniparty. My perfect candidate would abolish the ATF completely.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Has any president done that...they all promise that..next??

Nobody has ever promised to eliminate a $19 trillion federal debt in 8 years before.

"We've got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I'll tell you why."

- Donald Trump, in an interview with The Washington Post on April 2, 2016.

In retrospect, it's clear that he had no intention of even reducing federal spending from the Obama years.

 

[tnmarktx]

I'm for actual immigration reform that addresses the border and the need for labor. That doesn't include a monument with siphoned funds

Congrats. You're for the uniparty. How about at this moment immigrants are coming across the border no covid tests, loaded on buses and taken to who knows where in America. This all while mask mandates and even mandating an mRNA vaccine on actual citizens exists. Legal immigration is absolutely fine. However, advocating for illegal immigration is not.

 

[utvolpj]

Congrats. You're for the uniparty. How about at this moment immigrants are coming across the border no covid tests, loaded on buses and taken to who knows where in America. This all while mask mandates and even mandating an mRNA vaccine on actual citizens exists. Legal immigration is absolutely fine. However, advocating for illegal immigration is not.

Good grief, where did I advocate for unfettered illegal immigration? You should slow down and actually read what is being posted. I said immigration reform that actually addresses the need for labor

 

[tnmarktx]

Good grief, where did I advocate for unfettered illegal immigration? You should slow down and actually read what is being posted. I said immigration reform that actually addresses the need for labor

There's plenty of people to fill there need for labor in this country. Go into the poor areas of this country and invest in job training. Give people a reason to get off Gov assistance. We don't need cheap slave labor from other countries.

 

[MG1968]

There's plenty of people to fill there need for labor in this country. Go into the poor areas of this country and invest in job training. Give people a reason to get off Gov assistance. We don't need cheap slave labor from other countries.

He’s not saying we do.

 

[tnmarktx]

He’s not saying we do.

There are enough people able bodied citizens in this country to fill every labor position and still have unemployment.

 

[utvolpj]

There are enough people able bodied citizens in this country to fill every labor position and still have unemployment.

Many of the ones filled by immigrants are agricultural and/or seasonal. I also watched many construction laborers in the housing boom when labor was tight. There is absolutely a need for additional unskilled labor on this country. Allowing a temp workforce to do the work is beneficial and really would keep prices down

 

[LouderVol]

What was botched???

No idea what she is referring to in particular.

I have seen several likely scenarios.

-Initial time line missed by several weeks, with no hard deadline given.
-budget and where the money is going.
-selection of auditor. Cant call it fair and expect other people to buy it when the auditor says from the start what the outcome will be.
-chain of custody broken by auditor.
-no established metric of success. In a system as large as Arizona there is stastically going to be cases of fraud. What level are they looking for? Or even establishing what qualifies as fraud, criminal determination, by someone completely outside the justice system.

I have been saying It's a charade from the start. Seems like this one R politician agrees.

 

[whodeycin85]

No idea what she is referring to in particular.

I have seen several likely scenarios.

-Initial time line missed by several weeks, with no hard deadline given.
-budget and where the money is going.
-selection of auditor. Cant call it fair and expect other people to buy it when the auditor says from the start what the outcome will be.
-chain of custody broken by auditor.
-no established metric of success. In a system as large as Arizona there is stastically going to be cases of fraud. What level are they looking for? Or even establishing what qualifies as fraud, criminal determination, by someone completely outside the justice system.

I have been saying It's a charade from the start. Seems like this one R politician agrees.

It seems Trump was held to an impossible standard while note having all support of the house and congress and not 8 years in office..

 

[AshG]

Many of the ones filled by immigrants are agricultural and/or seasonal. I also watched many construction laborers in the housing boom when labor was tight. There is absolutely a need for additional unskilled labor on this country. Allowing a temp workforce to do the work is beneficial and really would keep prices down

That's what my uncle does with his tree nursery. Before he got too old to travel, he and his wife would be even take vacations at their hometown in Mexico during the off-season.

There are ways to do it, and do it right.

 

[utvolpj]

That's what my uncle does with his tree nursery. Before he got too old to travel, he and his wife would be even take vacations at their hometown in Mexico during the off-season.

There are ways to do it, and do it right.

See it in FL but it was really evident in AZ. A couple of my multifamily builders would shut down in December since their workforce was going home anyways. They made really good money in the US and lived large when they went home

 

[Velo Vol]

I'm what way are you more free?

He can say "Merry Christmas" now.

 

[tnmarktx]

Many of the ones filled by immigrants are agricultural and/or seasonal. I also watched many construction laborers in the housing boom when labor was tight. There is absolutely a need for additional unskilled labor on this country. Allowing a temp workforce to do the work is beneficial and really would keep prices down

I'll state it again, we don't need cheap slave labor and there's plenty of able bodied citizens to fill all jobs and still have unemployment.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I'll state it again, we don't need cheap slave labor and there's plenty of able bodied citizens to fill all jobs and still have unemployment.

It's not like illegals are working for slave wages. I have clients that have hired illegals and they pay them 17-22/hour for construction work. They simply cannot find enough citizens to do the work at those wages.

 

[tnmarktx]

It's not like illegals are working for slave wages. I have clients that have hired illegals and they pay them 17-22/hour for construction work. They simply cannot find enough citizens to do the work at those wages.

They should be fined fire hiring illegals. Spare me the sob story about not being able to get anybody to work. Invest in areas where there are an abundance of workers on gov assistance. Give those people job training. Give them a reason to get off that assistance. Another benefit will be lower crime.