ARK hires Gus Malzahn as new OC

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haha your argument just carries no weight at all...as I seem to remember Vince Young was a 5 star qb coming out of college...
 
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..and Brady Quinn already wasn't well on his way to breaking every record in ND's book before Charlie Weis got there??...hillarious
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:28 PM
true but who taught Tee Martin how to throw and who holds the record for highest percentage of passes completed in the SEC... ??? I guess Mr.Martin taught Tee everything he knows and was the one developing him into a NC winning qb?
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Tee Martin has the record for most consecutive completions in a game against South Carolina, but for a career he didnt not have a very high completion %. Tee Martin was a great runner and had great arm strength, but he did not complete a high % of his passes at UT.
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:32 PM
yeah but you try and make it sound like Cut had nothing to do with it...  i bet he would have stunk it up if RS was his oc...
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Throwing in Randy Sanders name just absolutely makes your argument obsolete. Randy Sanders turned Casey Clausen into a 35 game winner, not an easy task. Then he took Rick, whom Nick Saban stated did not have the talent to be an SEC QB, and turned him into a 300 yard passer in the SEC.
 
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the fact is it doesn't matter how highly rated or not a qb is when they come out of high school- all that doesn't translate to anything unless they have someone who can teach them the fundamentals of the college game and prepare them for the NFL-something Cut does as well as any QB coach in college football... You seem to think that is just some kind of coincidence that Archie Manning hand picked Cut or that Charlie Weiss chose Cut...sorry! there is a reason... and regardless of whether you are just such a big homer that you choose to accept it or not he is one of the best qb coaches in the game enough said.. you and every other ignorant person like you will see that next year with our qb play..I can't wait
 
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sono stoops and brown have no buisness being on that list in my opinion. i also didn't say CUT had nothing to do with it all i said was, with peyton's work ethic and determination i believe he would have excelled anywhere. he's that good. i'm sure cut helped him along with reading defenses making checks and all that good stuff. any other good coach could have done the same, and peyton would have made tham look great too. i also think peyton would have saved sanders job. he's that good. ( he's that great )
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 9, 2005 7:37 PM
Tee Martin has the record for most consecutive completions in a game against South Carolina, but for a career he didnt not have a  very high completion %.  Tee Martin was a great runner and had great arm strength, but he did not complete a high % of his passes at UT.
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yea I didn't mean SEC sorry I meant game
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:34 PM
..and Brady Quinn already wasn't well on his way to breaking every record in ND's book before Charlie Weis got there??...hillarious
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G-GS PA PC Int. Pct. Yds. TD LG,
2003 12-9 332 157 15 .473 1831 9 85

2004 12-12 353 191 10 .541 2586 17 54

2005 11-11 405* 263* 7 .649 3633* 32* 80

So, no, Brady Quinn wass not on his way to breaking all the records. A 32-7 TD-INT ratio the year after a 17-10 ratio, is marked improvement in my book, not to mention the extra 1100 yards passing.
 
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I mean the same arguments that use for Mike Leach you can use for Cut... saying that he took some non blue chippers and made them great.. it might hold some weight if it wasn't for the fact that Tee Martin was not an NFL quarterback due to the fact that he went and played in the Canadian league...just wait till next year, regardless of who plays I'm confident that our qb play will be exponentially better then it was this year
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:44 PM
I mean the same arguments that use for Mike Leach you can use for Cut... saying that he took some non blue chippers and made them great.. it might hold some weight if it wasn't for the fact that Tee Martin was not an NFL quarterback due to the fact that he went and played in the Canadian league...just wait till next year, regardless of who plays I'm confident that our qb play will be exponentially better then it was this year
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What non blue chipper did Cutcliffe make great???? Shuler, the Mannings, and Martin were all elite 11 quarterbacks
 
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i agree chattown, unless both our qb's have mental issue's they can't get over then we are in for a long year. i'm still hoping crompton is the man.
 
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Martin was an Elite 11 qb? didn't know that can't find info of that back far, but the fact is even if he was the point you made earlier was that he has never coached someone other than an NFL superstar, which Martin def. wasn't....
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:50 PM
Martin was an Elite 11 qb? didn't know that can't find info of that back far, but the fact is even if he was the point you made earlier was that he has never coached someone other than an NFL superstar, which Martin def. wasn't....
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I stated he has never done anything with a non blue chip, not NFL superstar. You can argue with me all you want, but don't put words into my mouth.
 
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listen, i just dont see how your arguement is valid. please explain one more time why cut isnt great but mack brown is and so is bob stoops???
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:53 PM
listen, i just dont see how your arguement is valid.  please explain one more time why cut isnt great but mack brown is and so is bob stoops???
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Cutcliffe has never even turned a non blue chip QB into a 10 game winner. Mack Brown did so with Major Applewhite (turned him into Big XII player of the year,) and Bob Stoops won Big XII championships with Josh Huepel and Nate Hybl, neither were blue chippers (Hybl was recruited to OU on a golf scholarship.) When Cutcliffe makes an average quarterback into a great performer, then I will give him the credit that others have already ordained he has earned.
 
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:fool: ...and how many 5 star qbs have come out of highschool and gone to schools where they never went on to be heisman or NFL qbs????? I would argue that are more than you or I can count...once again i will reiterate the fact is it doesn't matter how highly rated or not a qb is when they come out of high school- all that doesn't translate to anything unless they have someone who can teach them the fundamentals of the college game and prepare them for the NFL-something Cut does as well if not better than any QB coach in college football
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:56 PM
Cutcliffe has never even turned a non blue chip QB into a 10 game winner.  Mack Brown did so with Major Applewhite (turned him into Big XII player of the year,) and Bob Stoops won Big XII championships with Josh Huepel and Nate Hybl, neither were blue chippers (Hybl was recruited to OU on a golf scholarship.)  When Cutcliffe makes an average quarterback into a great performer, then I will give him the credit that others have already ordained he has earned.
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Eli manning wasnt highly recruited if my memory serves me right......
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 8:58 PM
:fool: ...and how many 5 star qbs have come out of highschool and gone to schools where they never went on to be heisman or NFL qbs????? I would argue that are more than you or I can count...once again i will reiterate the fact is it doesn't matter how highly rated or not a qb is when they come out of high school- all that doesn't translate to anything unless they have someone who can teach them the fundamentals of the college game and prepare them for the NFL-something Cut does as well if not better than any QB coach in college football
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First off, stop with the preparing for the NFL crap, it is not the focus of college coaches. Their number one priority is to win games in college. That said, I stated early in this thread that Cutcliffe has not done anything to screw up the QBs he has coached...that does not make someone great though. It means that he does well enough to get the job done. Greatness is measured when odds are stacked against you and you come out on top, he has yet to show he can do that, and all the empirical data in the world back up that fact.
 
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this guy is an obvious homer for whatever team he likes and is just a Cutt-hater so anything I say you will just refute with some off-base comment or inane inaccuracy... I could sit here and debate the competitiveness of the Big 12 where Texas and Oklahoma are the two powerhouses which is laughable as compared to the SEC or I could just give you an invitation to come back on this board at this time next year when whoever is our qb is all-sec so you can debate how Cut did nothing but do his job :lol: :lol:
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 8:59 PM
Eli manning wasnt highly recruited if my memory serves me right......
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Your memory doesn't serve you very well then. Eli Manning was the #3 recruit in the nation coming out of high school.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 8:02 PM
First off, stop with the preparing for the NFL crap, it is not the focus of college coaches.  Their number one priority is to win games in college.  That said, I stated early in this thread that Cutcliffe has not done anything to screw up the QBs he has coached...that does not make someone great though.  It means that he does well enough to get the job done.  Greatness is measured when odds are stacked against you and you come out on top, he has yet to show he can do that, and all the empirical data in the world back up that fact.
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yes I know that is the focus of the coach, but I'm trying to explain to you why people think highly of Cut because you seem to be mystified as to why a parent of a college quarterback would want their son for playing for him
 
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Originally posted by Chattownsfinest@Dec 9, 2005 9:02 PM
this guy is an obvious homer for whatever team he likes and is just a Cutt-hater so anything I say you will just refute with some off-base comment or inane inaccuracy... I could sit here and debate the competitiveness of the Big 12 where Texas and Oklahoma are the two powerhouses  which is laughable as compared to the SEC or I could just give you an invitation to come back on this board at this time next year when whoever is our qb is all-sec so you can debate how Cut did nothing but do his job  :lol:  :lol:
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If I am a homer for anyone it is UT. Born in Soddy Daisy, educated at UTK. I don't instinctively buy into the 'hire Cut and our problems are fixed' mentality. I would like to see Cutcliffe do well, but there is absolutely no evidence that he can win without the best pedigreed quarterbacks (and, well, we don't have the best for at least next year and the year after.)

I also don't understand why so many of my fellow UT fans always discount the Big XII, when Nebraska beat the hell out of Mannings 1997 team, and K State beat us by 30 in the 2001 Cotton Bowl. Neither of those are your Texas/Oklahoma powerhouses...
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 8:12 PM
If I am a homer for anyone it is UT.  Born in Soddy Daisy, educated at UTK.  I don't instinctively buy into the 'hire Cut and our problems are fixed' mentality.  I would like to see Cutcliffe do well, but there is absolutely no evidence that he can win without the best pedigreed quarterbacks (and, well, we don't have the best for at least next year and the year after.)

I also don't understand why so many of my fellow UT fans always discount the Big XII, when Nebraska beat the hell out of Mannings 1997 team, and K State beat us by 30 in the 2001 Cotton Bowl.  Neither of those are your Texas/Oklahoma powerhouses...
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are you saying nebraska in the 1990's wasnt a powerhouse like texas and oklahoma.... I am so done arguing with you...
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Dec 9, 2005 9:14 PM
are you saying nebraska in the 1990's wasnt a powerhouse like texas and oklahoma....  I am so done arguing with you...
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No, Nebraska was dominant in the 90s. I am saying that people need to cease with the Big XII is a cake conference talk.
 
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that's good to hear, but I never said our problems would be fixed, I said that our qb play would be much much better then what it was this year... which in turn will fix a HUGE problem we had this year, in that we didn't have an SEC qb to compete in the SEC.... I'm just obviously more confident in Cut's abilities to teach the quarterback position than you are, but only time will tell if he deserves to be mentioned with the likes of Leach Tedford and maybe even Spurrier even though the system that a quarterback is in has a lot more to do than the qb himself in alot of cases with two of those coaches... next year will be the biggest test of Cut's career as he will be trying to save his good friend's job so I think he won't take it lightly
 
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