ARK hires Gus Malzahn as new OC

[Chattownsfinest]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 8:16 PM
No, Nebraska was dominant in the 90s.  I am saying that people need to cease with the Big XII is a cake conference talk.

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lol nobody said it was a cake conference it is just simply not as dominant a conference as the SEC is plain and simple...don't know if you've been around but Nebraska has been down for some time and yes Texas and Oklahoma have assumed the position as the only two true powerhouses in the conference whereas in the SEC you can never be sure who will win it a given year..

 

[Chattownsfinest]

anyway... I'm out man I hope if you are truly a UT fan then you will give Cut the benefit of the doubt instead of berating him as a below average qb coach who was simply the benefit of great talent

:shakeit:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:37 PM
Throwing in Randy Sanders name just absolutely makes your argument obsolete.  Randy Sanders turned Casey Clausen into a 35 game winner, not an easy task.  Then he took Rick, whom Nick Saban stated did not have the talent to be an SEC QB, and turned him into a 300 yard passer in the SEC.

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And what do we have to show for either?

 

[CSpindizzy]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:19 PM
Receivers making Couch look good???  How many of those WRs can you name????

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That doesn't matter. Can you name a huge list of stellar receivers for all of these West Coast QB's that Telford made godlike?

 

[CSpindizzy]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Dec 9, 2005 8:32 PM
And what do we have to show for either?

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THANK YOU!!! And wasn't Daddy Clausen a HS coach as well? So the whole pedigree argument comes into play there showing that Sanders didn't develop him after all. As a matter of fact had Schaeffer and Ainge not been injured, odds are Rick would have been competing for signal caller with Jim Bob.

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 3:45 PM
I think this is probably the best coaching/recruiting move Nutt has ever made.  This guy will be OC by title only, Nutt will most likely continue the play calling and most of the hands on offensive coaching and stategy (as he has his entire time at Arkansas.)  This not only assures him the best QB prospect in the nation, it also keeps Mustain off of UT (we play Arkansas in 06 and 07.)  He also got rid of his QB coach, and who better to continue developing Mustain than the man who has developed him for the past 4 years...

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There is a difference between developing a player at the high school level and the college level. What if this guy has already taught Mustain everything he knows?

In my opinion, this is a short-sighted and desperate move by Houston Nutt. He will wind up regretting it even if he does get Mustain.

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:12 PM
Yeah, but before he was at TT he ran the pro offense at Kentucky with Tim Couch.  Kind of destroys both your arguments there.

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Tim Couch was a highly touted QB recruit coming out of high school. If anything, I would say he did not reach his potential in college. With all that talent, where is he at now?

And yeah, if you throw it 50 times a game your numbers should look gawdy.

Of course you won't win many games.

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:30 PM
So you are comparing the pro careers of non blue chippers Kingsbury, Symons, might as well Hodges, and Huepel to the list, to the pro careers of two #1 high school prospects, in trying to prove the effectiveness of a college coach?  Fine, continue to convince yourself that Cutcliffe is on the level with Tedford, Leach, Loeffler, Carroll, Stoops, Mack Brown, Charlie Weiss, and the name everybody seems to be leaving out, Spurrier.

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Last time I checked, Stoops was a defensive coach before he went to Oklahoma. Does that mean Chavis is to blame for the poor play of Ainge?

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:37 PM
Throwing in Randy Sanders name just absolutely makes your argument obsolete.  Randy Sanders turned Casey Clausen into a 35 game winner, not an easy task.  Then he took Rick, whom Nick Saban stated did not have the talent to be an SEC QB, and turned him into a 300 yard passer in the SEC.

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Right. I think we are getting to the core of it, someone who still has sour grapes over Randy Sanders' demise.

What did Sanders do with Ainge? Did Casey Clausen really improve as a QB? How many championships did we win while Randy was OC? Man, those 35 wins were against teams that we generally out-talented.

And how many games did RC pass for 300 yards? You make it sound like he threw for 300 every game. You must have not been watching the same team I was this year.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I was just reading this fluff piece on Nutt's new hire and all it talks about is his mastery of the spread offense and the book he's written on the subject. This means this guy will probably retool the whole offense to fit Mustain if he comes. Trying to build an existing offense around a freshman is mighty dangerous as well. I guess he'll cut his teeth on breaking the old habits and building anew. The entire offense will have to lose the old and learn a new coach and his system all to conform to one player. If that isn't a recipe for dissention and egos.....

Meyer's trying this at UF and losing a lot of the faithful, both fans and players.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 10, 2005 9:43 AM
Trying to build an existing offense around a freshman is mighty dangerous as well.

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Especially with that tailback they've already got. Hard to believe that they are actually going to go away from running the I formation. That kid was pretty amazing at times last year, and that was without any semblance of a passing game.

 

[9296potsguy]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 7:37 PM
Throwing in Randy Sanders name just absolutely makes your argument obsolete.  Randy Sanders turned Casey Clausen into a 35 game winner, not an easy task.  Then he took Rick, whom Nick Saban stated did not have the talent to be an SEC QB, and turned him into a 300 yard passer in the SEC.

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I never realised Rick averaged 300 yards a game! We should have never had a controversy.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by 9296potsguy@Dec 10, 2005 2:28 PM
I never realised Rick averaged 300 yards a game! We should have never had a controversy.

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He didn't come close to averaging 300 yards a game. More like 160.1 yards a game. :focus:

 

[9296potsguy]

Nevermind, He averaged about 150 yards a game and the one time he got 300 yards he passed for one (1) TD. Yes, Rick was an offensive juggernaut, wasn't he?

 

[9296potsguy]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Dec 10, 2005 2:37 PM
He didn't come close to averaging 300 yards a game.  More like 160.1 yards a game.  :focus:

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Sorry, didn't see your post in time. I'm too slow to look up stats

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by 9296potsguy@Dec 10, 2005 2:39 PM
Sorry, didn't see your post in time.  I'm too slow to look up stats

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It's cool, as long as the truth is out there.... :biggrin2:

 

[rockydoc]

This whole deal reminds me of the deal when LSU signed Stanley Roberts' dad as an assistant BB coach to get the high school 7 footer son. Anyway, Don Devoe openly criticized Dale Brown for this and old Dale shot back the waht he thought was unethical was to diviorce your wife (Devoe had just recently done so). It was kinda funny at the time.

Nevertheless when Stanley graduated or left, Dale quickly jettisoned Dad. (Stanley was prettymuch a bust as he was overshadowed by Shaq.)

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by rockydoc@Dec 11, 2005 5:59 AM
This whole deal reminds me of the deal when LSU signed Stanley Roberts' dad as an assistant BB coach to get the high school 7 footer son. Anyway, Don Devoe openly criticized Dale Brown for this and old Dale shot back the waht he thought was unethical was to diviorce your wife (Devoe had just recently done so). It was kinda funny at the time.

Nevertheless when Stanley graduated or left, Dale quickly jettisoned Dad. (Stanley was prettymuch a bust as he was overshadowed by Shaq.)

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I think this hurts Nutt credibility. Hiring a kids football coach to try and get the kid to come play for you is putting a lot of pressure on the kid that he shouldnt have to deal with. Its like the livliehood of his coach is tied up in where he goes to play football. I would love it if he would go somewhere else and leave Nutt stuck with him as his O.C. :lol:

 

[mkvolsfan]

I can't picture Nutt switching to this style of offense. Especially with Darren McFadden at tailback. Nut will continue to run the ball.

 

[mkvolsfan]

Hopefully the coaching staff will pick up this book before the next time we play Arkansas

He really wrote the book!

 

[WA_Vol]

Maybe Fulmer can add that to his reading list this winter.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 11, 2005 6:32 PM
Maybe Fulmer can add that to his reading list this winter.

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Good idea; that should really simplify things for the QB's.

 

[QBvol7]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 9, 2005 4:12 PM
Between his HS coach who already knows what buttons to push, and Nutt who developed Matt Jones pretty well, I think the kid will turn out just fine.

Also, don't think that UT hasn't played these games before.  We gave up 2 scholarships for Daniel Brooks (Bo Hardigree) and when we didn't play the game we lost Cadillac Williams (he wanted to wear #24 and he wanted to be assured of significant PT his freshman year.)  Also, who really knows how well Cutcliffe developed anyone...Shuler was only under Cut for a year, the Mannings were the sons of Archie, and Tee Martin spent hours learning the ins and outs of being a QB from Peyton...not Cut.

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Cutcliffe was still the QB coach before he became OC. Fulmer was OC and OL coach before him. Randy Sanders was the RB's coach until Cut left. He developed Andy Kelly to be a pretty decent QB, he made Shuler, Peyton and Eli all Heisman candidates and had 3 QB's drafted in the 1st round, one the 3rd pick, and the other 2 were #1 overall picks. I think he has done a pretty good job. Remember, Shuler, Peyton, Eli, and Tee didnt coach themselves.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I am a Vol living in the lion's den (Fayetteville, AR) and I will assure all of you that this is not a move just predicated on Mustain coming to UA. Malzahn has a track record of winning and has put together some unbelievable offensive teams with limited talent (which is likely the case at UA).

Mustain or no Mustain, the heat was very high around here for Nutt to hire an OC rather than continue to handle that role himself (which he did poorly according to most around here). The likelihood of UA garnering some high profile offensive mind is very remote, so they went with who is most likely their best alternative. I think he will pay dividends around here in the long run, whether Mustain ever plays a down for UA.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Dec 12, 2005 10:08 AM
Good idea; that should really simplify things for the QB's.

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I wanted Fulmer to read it so Fulmer and company would know how to defend that offense. :bash: