MG1968
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If Babbitt and her boyfriend were shooting at police from another room, I don’t think people would be as upset about the shooting regardless of raceI saw what some folks were posting about Breonna Taylor, so I certainly question whether the outrage would be as potent if we were dealing with different races.
Who was crawling through the last barrier despite repeated warnings to stop. She was part of a vicious gang of thugs who were revolting against the United States and chanted death threats against officials.
It's a terrible thing, but the person to blame for her death is Donald Trump.
So you’re not so outraged by this one after all. Got it and not shocked.When Donald Trump said, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts," did he actually mean the "armed looting", because that's not what he said? The shooting of Ashli Babbitt has brought an inconsistency from the right-wing into focus. Simply put, the right is more sympathetic to unarmed white people shot during the commission of a crime, than unarmed black people.
And your inconsistency is showing here because the cop literally said he couldn’t see her hands or anything else that would’ve determined she was a threat. No surprise though. The one thing you’re consistent about is hypocrisy.George Floyd bears responsibility for his arrest, but the video clearly shows that Floyd wasn't resisting arrest for the 9 minutes that Derek Chauvin was kneeling on the back of his neck. In fact, it appears that Floyd was unconscious and incapable of resisting for at least the last 3 of those minutes. Unlike Ashli Babbitt, who was attempting to forcibly enter an area restricted to the public, at a time when members of Congress were being evacuated from that same area. She still posed a threat during the moments immediately preceding her death. Floyd did not.
Again the police were shooting at the shooter. She was there also. I guess they should’ve been psychic and assumed the shooter didn’t have someone near him or her
I’m not saying either shooting was “illegal or unjustified” I think both Babbitt and Taylor bear responsibility for what led up to their shootings. But I do think there is a difference between an officer getting shot at and hit and returning fire towards the shooter and the Babbitt situation when she’s unarmedI've never criticized the cops in the Taylor shooting (with the exception of the one that was firing blindly from outside, and mostly because he could just as easily have hit his fellow officers). I just think it's the height of illogic to think the Taylor shooting was okay while the Babbitt shooting was not. You make a great point about the lack of psychic abilities, and I feel that it's just as true that Byrd had no way of knowing not only what Babbitt's intentions were, but also the intentions of the rest of the mob behind her.
EXCLUSIVE: Cop Who Shot Ashli Babbitt breaks cover: 28-year veteran who Once Left His Loaded Weapon In Capitol Restroom will reveal his identity in interview with NBC's Lester Holt tonight
The police officer who fatally shot Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt on January 6 plans to out himself on Thursday evening, more than eight months after the Capitol Hill riot.
- DailyMail.com can reveal the Capitol Hill cop who shot Air Force vet Ashli Babbitt, 35, on January 6 is Lieutenant Michael Leroy Byrd, 53
- Byrd, a 28-year police veteran, will reveal he was the shooter in an interview with Lester Holt on NBC News Thursday night
To date no details of either the criminal or the internal police inquiry have been published.
DailyMail.com can reveal the Capitol Hill cop who shot dead Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt on January 6, is 28-year police veteran Lieutenant Michael Byrd (pictured earlier this year)
Babbitt (pictured) a 35-year-old Air Force veteran from San Diego, was shot by the police lieutenant when she tried to climb through a door with the glass smashed out as she and others in the mob pressed to get into the Speaker's Lobby outside the House chamber
Michael Byrd is seen in the Capitol during the riots with his gun drawn. Capitol Police have concluded that he acted lawfully and in line with department policy, and will not face any internal discipline
And Arizona Rep. Paul Gosar said on July 6: 'Six months ago today, Ashli Babbitt, a 110-pound woman with nothing in her hands, not a rock, not a stick or a bat, was shot dead by a still unknown Capitol Hill police officer.'
Following Byrd's decision to speak out, DailyMail.com has decided it is time to publish the name of the officer who - unlike virtually all his colleagues nationwide who have made the split-second decision to shoot - has been allowed to hide behind his badge.
Byrd and his wife were spotted by DailyMail.com as they shopped near their home 30 minutes outside of Washington, DC, in February
In April, Officer Nicholas Reardon was named within a day of fatally firing four shots at knife-wielding 16-year-old Ma'khia Bryant
Capitol Hill cop who shot dead MAGA rioter Ashli Babbitt is REVEALED | Daily Mail Online
I’m not saying either shooting was “illegal or unjustified” I think both Babbitt and Taylor bear responsibility for what led up to their shootings. But I do think there is a difference between an officer getting shot at and hit and returning fire towards the shooter and the Babbitt situation when she’s unarmed
It's not purely conjecture to point out that Babbitt was trying to force her way into a restricted area of the Capitol while members of Congress were being evacuated from that same area. We just don't know what her intentions were if she had successfully breached the door.That's purely conjecture on your part. The fact is she was unarmed, you have stated that you are against the killing of unarmed people by the police in this thread. Why is this situation different?
The conjecture is that it's your opinion there was a threat. I'll ask the question that you keep avoiding. You have stated in this thread that you are against the killing of unarmed people by the police, why are you for it in this case?It's not purely conjecture to point out that Babbitt was trying to force her way into a restricted area of the Capitol while members of Congress were being evacuated from that same area. We just don't know what her intentions were if she had successfully breached the door.
This situation involved a mob of people who were acting in unison. The threat they posed was derived from their sheer numbers. Collectively, they had the ability to overrun Capitol security and law enforcement personnel without being armed, and then cause bodily harm to whichever member of Congress they came in contact with, or perhaps even Mike Pence - who was a primary target for the mob's anger that day. I have never said that it was okay to participate in mob violence.
I am not saying he should know if she’s armed or not. But they officers KNEW that they were getting shot at with Taylor’s BF as one just went downBut to your point about psychic abilities, how was Byrd to know she was unarmed? Further, how was he supposed to know anything about the mass of people behind her. I can get the argument if she were alone. Clearly, there would have been a wide range of options at his disposal, and shooting her would have been the most absurd. But the mob at her back made the list of options a lot smaller and greatly lessened the absurdity of the one he chose.
Of course an angry mob presents a threat. I have already explained that the threat was a collective one. Simply describing Ashli Babbitt as "unarmed" doesn't tell the whole story. She was a member of a mob, and participating in mob violence. The threat was in the numbers.The conjecture is that it's your opinion there was a threat. I'll ask the question that you keep avoiding. You have stated in this thread that you are against the killing of unarmed people by the police, why are you for it in this case?
Everything boils down to politics now. It is a tribal age we are living in. There is no way that Republicans/ Conservatives/ Trump supporters are calling it a murder if Tamika from South Bronx is killed under identical circumstances while protesting for Black Lives Matter.A cop getting away with it is suddenly an outrage to those who never seemed to care before.
Everything boils down to politics now. It is a tribal age we are living in. There is no way that Republicans/ Conservatives/ Trump supporters are calling it a murder if Tamika from South Bronx is killed under identical circumstances while protesting for Black Lives Matter.