Atheists & Spiritualists = Equal Fools

#77
#77
VOLatile said:
Is that the end of that movie? I gave up with about 15 minutes left.
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Yes. He makes it to the top of the tower and it was all a ploy to get him to regain reality. He realizes his wife killed his kids and he killed her and now he's here. He blames himself for his kids deaths because he knew she was bi-polar and still left her alone with the kids. In the end he pretends to be insane and walks off to get lobotomized.

Horrible, horrible movie. Too long. Too drawn out. And a serious end of movie that had my wife and I looking at each are saying what the hell was that.
 
#78
#78
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Yes. He makes it to the top of the tower and it was all a ploy to get him to regain reality. He realizes his wife killed his kids and he killed her and now he's here. He blames himself for his kids deaths because he knew she was bi-polar and still left her alone with the kids. In the end he pretends to be insane and walks off to get lobotomized.

Horrible, horrible movie. Too long. Too drawn out. And a serious end of movie that had my wife and I looking at each are saying what the hell was that.
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I lost patience at the end. I got to the part at the top of the light house and a little bit into the discussion, but then I gave up. I had lost all interest.
 
#79
#79
Tenacious D said:
Can you effectively and empirically prove the existence of God?

If not now, when?

If not ever, why debate and/or "spread the word".
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Can I show him to you? No.

Can I have him audibly talk to you where you know it is no one other than? No.

Will you and I meet him one day? Yes.
 
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VOLatile said:
Well, I may be inclined to one day relinquish that title. D's out to piss off both sides. However, I'm finding enjoyment in it.
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If only this time, I'm actually not.

Neither side can effectively and empirically prove either case true.

And never will be able to do so.

That's an irrefutable set of facts. I'm only pointing out what we - including each of them - already know. I'm wondering why they know this and continue to argue AGAINST the other side, when they are utterly helpless to prove their own position true.

What do they get out of it?
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IPorange said:
You are telling me to prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist. It's like a bad Monty python skit. The burden of proof is not on a null hypothesis, but on the alternative.

My proof ends with, "else not reject."
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No, here's the question again:

As a self-avowed atheist, prove that God doesn't exist - empirically and effectively.

Begin......
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#83
#83
IPorange said:
I think, therefore I am.

I'm reading this forum. One cannot read in a dream, as that comes from the opposite hemisphere of the brain.

you are reading this forum, so likewise you are not dreaming.
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So, that's all true - entirely and in all cases?

How does this aid your disproving God's existence?
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#84
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fl0at said:
You're wrong! Had to do that.

I would say that "insecurity" falls more under the need that everything must be proven "right," as opposed to allowing someone to have their belief, and keep said belief.

If you are secure in your beliefs, you won't mind that someone else has another belief. However, you might still debate with the individual, not to prove them wrong, or to prove yourself right, but to give the other side the benefit of your own.

And, as I haven't finished reading this thread yet, this question may have been answered, and if so, I apologize. That said, where do you stand?
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But neither side wants the other opposing opinion, thus these discussions devolve into name-calling and the destruction of the others argument, and toward the continued failing of supporting their own.
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Tenacious D said:
But neither side wants the other opposing opinion, thus these discussions devolve into name-calling and the destruction of the others argument, and toward the continued failing of supporting their own.
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But we've been doing it so well for the last 5,000 years why change it now?
 
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#86
BeecherVol said:
Can I show him to you? No.

Can I have him audibly talk to you where you know it is no one other than? No.

Will you and I meet him one day? Yes.
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Can you effectively and empirically prove this to be true?

You cannot be certain yourself that it is.....or what's the need of faith?
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#89
#89
Tenacious D said:
For most Hellfire?
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If you believe in Christ or are a Christian because you want to avoid hell then chances are you are not actually saved. I can not stand hellfire preachers. Hell is in the Bible but some of us believe it will have gnassing of teeth and total darkness and fire because it will be void and seperate of God with no Holy Spirit and you will be stuck there forever knowing that there is a God and that you could have been with him but chose not to. That is my view of hell. An eternal seperation from God. Not here you go burn mother phucker burn.
 
#90
#90
VOLatile said:
My nickname is ArsonVol... because I would make an outlandish statement and sit back and watch the thread burn.
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Oddly, he picked such opposite sides on both angles that there is no burning. None of us are actually going at it even though he keeps trying to create Threadamania.
 
#93
#93
Tenacious D said:
Can you effectively and empirically prove this to be true?

You cannot be certain yourself that it is.....or what's the need of faith?
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Can I prove future prophecy? Right now? No.

Whats my need for faith in correlation to being a christian? Everything. I can't take credit for that.
 
#94
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Oddly, he picked such opposite sides on both angles that there is no burning. None of us are actually going at it even though he keeps trying to create Threadamania.
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This makes sense until you read the first post.

Or think about it.

To "go at it" would only further prove my already impregnable argument.
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#95
#95
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
If you believe in Christ or are a Christian because you want to avoid hell then chances are you are not actually saved. I can not stand hellfire preachers. Hell is in the Bible but some of us believe it will have gnassing of teeth and total darkness and fire because it will be void and seperate of God with no Holy Spirit and you will be stuck there forever knowing that there is a God and that you could have been with him but chose not to. That is my view of hell. An eternal seperation from God. Not here you go burn mother phucker burn.
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I appreciate that you believe this.

But it doesn't help you - not one whit - to prove the existence of God.
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BeecherVol said:
Can I prove future prophecy? Right now? No.

Whats my need for faith in correlation to being a christian? Everything. I can't take credit for that.
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Isn't the need for faith only so much proof that you will never be able to be proven correct in your belief as to the existence of God?
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#98
#98
Tenacious D said:
Confuses by someone taking an objective stand from a readily defensible, though possibly unpopular position.

I can understand your confusion.
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What position did you pick? You tried to light a bomb and throw it in a thread and hopefully watch some fireworks. I would make a Sherlock Holmes guess and say this thread was created after you read some of the post in Volatiles tax churches thread and thought you could put some more gas on the fire and pull other posters in that weren't already in that thread. It didn't work though because no matter how you try to work your thread you came down to God believers are stupid because they can't prove it and Non believer in God are stupid because they can't prove it. That made none of us turn on each other because each of us is either a non believer or believer. there is no third option. And I know you are going to try to say something that you find funny that will make no absolute sense so here's your thread back at you?

What is the third choice?
 
#99
#99
Tenacious D said:
Isn't the need for faith only so much proof that you will never be able to be proven correct in your belief as to the existence of God?
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BeecherVol said:
When I look at everything around me, I don't get a sense of randomness being the instigator. That leads me to believe that there is purpose to me, and everything around me. If I believe that, there is something out there bigger than me that has a purpose.
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These were my original thoughts. It didn't just come to me one day. "Hey, there may be a god, cause this stuff doesn't make sense otherwise. There is a basis for the what I have faith in.
 
#100
#100
TD there is a book by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and investigative journalist, that is pretty interesting on the subject. Google "Case for Faith" and you get some arguments on the other side. I haven't read any of those yet. No brain surgeon here, but Einston,Newton, and a few other fairly intelligent people believed in a creator. Of course they probably didn't have professors that are as smart and educated as the ones we have now.
 
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