Atheists & Spiritualists = Equal Fools

[utvolpj]

No brain surgeon here, but Einston,Newton, and a few other fairly intelligent people believed in a creator. Of course they probably didn't have professors that are as smart and educated as the ones we have now.

believing in a creator is much different than believing in the story of Jesus

 

[vols999]

pj, Do you think Jesus was real?

 

[NEO]

believing in a creator is much different than believing in the story of Jesus

I totally agree. But most would agree that if we are created by a God the God would want us to know who he is. The fact we are programmed to have relationships with people would show that chances are the creator believed in relationships and would have wanted to have a relationship with us. If you come to that conclusion then you have to start asking which religion makes the most sense.

 

[utvolpj]

a real person? Yes I can believe that

 

[VOLatile]

believing in a creator is much different than believing in the story of Jesus

I've found that Einstein was intentionally vague when speaking on religion. An enigma. He even called himself an agnostic.

 

[utvolpj]

I totally agree. But most would agree that if we are created by a God the God would want us to know who he is. The fact we are programmed to have relationships with people would show that chances are the creator believed in relationships and would have wanted to have a relationship with us. If you come to that conclusion then you have to start asking which religion makes the most sense.

but I don't know that I can believe all that. I don't believe he has a hand in the daily lives of every human (believer or not)

 

[NEO]

but I don't know that I can believe all that. I don't believe he has a hand in the daily lives of every human (believer or not)

Free will would state he doesn't.

I also don't think he cares who wins the superbowl.

Now on another hand, I do believe he may allow someone like Tim Tebow to continue winning since Timmy states Praise Jesus (and not just praise God) everytime he is on tv. I do believe God does occasionally change things if it is to his benefit or feels like doing it. But he's not weeding people through a maze.

 

[vols999]

I've found that Einstein was intentionally vague when speaking on religion. An enigma. He even called himself an agnostic.

I agree that he was somewhat vague and may not have been a Christian, but I think he did believe in a Creator and disagreed with any theory suggesting this all happened by chance, luck, or rock soup.

 

[Electric Orange]

I worship the sun. I can see the sun. It makes my crops grow. Animals eat crops and each other. My god (the sun) has provided me with everything, and I thank it by annually sacrificing a virgin and by offering it quality sammiches.

 

[NEO]

I also believe from what I've read that Einstein was so dang smart he was stupid in some ways. I don't know if his brain could go to a low enough level to debate basic religion.

 

[NEO]

I worship the sun. I can see the sun. It makes my crops grow. Animals eat crops and each other. My god (the sun) has provided me with everything, and I thank it by annually sacrificing a virgin.

rain makes corn

corn makes whiskey

whiskey makes my baby feel a little frisky

 

[Electric Orange]

rain makes corn

corn makes whiskey

whiskey makes my baby feel a little frisky

lmfao
whiskey+my baby = heaven on earth

 

[BeecherVol]

Yeah, and that's great as long as the Word of God was exclusively love and goodwill, but the fact is that there is malicious intent in the Word of God, as well, and whether or not it was misinterpreted or purposefully changed, it was done so by people who we know relatively very little about.


Two of my favorite quotes:

"I've seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers."

and

"There is so much done in Christendom of which Christ would be incapable."


Beecher, would you say you're a more dogmatic Christian, or do you think about Christ's teachings in a less "literal" way.

Sorry, I missed this post altogether.

There is. Man has not done Christ justice if you consider what he did, and what he ask for in return. Even many that profess to believe. He was pretty straighten forward and transparent in the NT in regards to his purpose and reason.

Leaving Christ out, the Bible will read very different. IMO.

 

[Tenacious D]

What position did you pick? You tried to light a bomb and throw it in a thread and hopefully watch some fireworks. I would make a Sherlock Holmes guess and say this thread was created after you read some of the post in Volatiles tax churches thread and thought you could put some more gas on the fire and pull other posters in that weren't already in that thread. It didn't work though because no matter how you try to work your thread you came down to God believers are stupid because they can't prove it and Non believer in God are stupid because they can't prove it. That made none of us turn on each other because each of us is either a non believer or believer. there is no third option. And I know you are going to try to say something that you find funny that will make no absolute sense so here's your thread back at you?

What is the third choice?

You're a fool. I am at a loss as to how to say it more simply or sincerely.

I couldn't explain this to you with a Light Bright, some sidewalk chalk and the patience of Job.

Like most other theories and conjectures you spout on here (ostensibly, because your mom's boyfriend didn't hug you enough) - you have utterly tailed to grasp even the most remote ideation of a wisp of a thought as to what this is about, and are at a loss as to how you might still participate. In failing anything constructive, you simply spew your half-cocked and poorly thought out theories onto everyone else, a veritable intellectual lottery ticket - hoping that you'll eventually stumble across something that even remotely resembles a rational thought, despite the overwhelming odds against it.

You can question my motives in this thread all day, but i challenge you to identify a single response I've made that was anything less than sincere, or forthright.

Until then, you might want to stick to that which you know best - incoherent babble, Pyongyang dating sites, and being the resident laughing stock.
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[Brog]

beer god demands more beer

 

[Electric Orange]

You're a fool. I am at a loss as to how to say it more simply or sincerely.

I couldn't explain this to you with a Light Bright, some sidewalk chalk and the patience of Job.

Like most other theories and conjectures you spout on here (ostensibly, because your mom's boyfriend didn't hug you enough) - you have utterly tailed to grasp even the most remote ideation of a wisp of a thought as to what this is about, and are at a loss as to how you might still participate. In failing anything constructive, you simply spew your half-cocked and poorly thought out theories onto everyone else, a veritable intellectual lottery ticket - hoping that you'll eventually stumble across something that even remotely resembles a rational thought, despite the overwhelming odds against it.

You can question my motives in this thread all day, but i challenge you to identify a single response I've made that was anything less than sincere, or forthright.

Until then, you might want to stick to that which you know best - incoherent babble, Pyongyang dating sites, and being the resident laughing stock.
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Damn Buckeyes you might should just kill yourself.

 

[Tenacious D]

TD there is a book by Lee Strobel, a former atheist and investigative journalist, that is pretty interesting on the subject. Google "Case for Faith" and you get some arguments on the other side. I haven't read any of those yet. No brain surgeon here, but Einston,Newton, and a few other fairly intelligent people believed in a creator. Of course they probably didn't have professors that are as smart and educated as the ones we have now.

I've read both it and "The Case For Faith" (Stroebel's second work) - as well as everything C.S. Lewis ever published, C.H. Spurgeon, Henri Nouwen, Thomas Merton, etc.

I've also read Origins of Species, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, etc.

If the effective and empirical truth of either side was available, I am infinitely confident that one of these men - or thousands of others would have produced it.....further advancing my original point - neither side can prove God's non/existence, either way.
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[Electric Orange]

Heres my (borrowed) take:
YouTube - George Carlin - Religion is ********.

 

[Tenacious D]

Free will would state he doesn't.

I also don't think he cares who wins the superbowl.

Now on another hand, I do believe he may allow someone like Tim Tebow to continue winning since Timmy states Praise Jesus (and not just praise God) everytime he is on tv. I do believe God does occasionally change things if it is to his benefit or feels like doing it. But he's not weeding people through a maze.

Add "theology" to the list of things that you are utterly void of even an elementary understanding.

I assume that you're a Mormon. If not, you should be. They'd make you a Deacon within a month, if it took that long.
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[Tenacious D]

I also believe from what I've read that Einstein was so dang smart he was stupid in some ways. I don't know if his brain could go to a low enough level to debate basic religion.

In what ways was Einstein "stupid", exactly?

I'll just pack the powder in the muzzle of my logic long-gun as you stumble through yet another piece of absolute idiocy.
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[Tenacious D]

Damn Buckeyes you might should just kill yourself.

I don't advocate him killing himself, and wish nothing bad upon him, whatsoever.

I just think he's a fool.
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[VOLatile]

In what ways was Einstein "stupid", exactly?

I'll just pack the powder in the muzzle of my logic long-gun as you stumble through yet another piece of absolute idiocy.
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If anything, he was too smart to consider such meaningless questions when he was too busy explaining the universe. Besides, evolution and religion weren't part of his field of study.

It would have been nice to hear what one of the smartest men to have ever lived would have said directly about religion. I would be willing to bet it would be a cynical statement.

 

[Electric Orange]

I don't advocate him killing himself, and wish nothing bad upon him, whatsoever.

I just think he's a fool.
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You're in an internet forum debating religion. I doubt this will attract many geniuses.

 

[NEO]

You're a fool. I am at a loss as to how to say it more simply or sincerely.

I couldn't explain this to you with a Light Bright, some sidewalk chalk and the patience of Job.

Like most other theories and conjectures you spout on here (ostensibly, because your mom's boyfriend didn't hug you enough) - you have utterly tailed to grasp even the most remote ideation of a wisp of a thought as to what this is about, and are at a loss as to how you might still participate. In failing anything constructive, you simply spew your half-cocked and poorly thought out theories onto everyone else, a veritable intellectual lottery ticket - hoping that you'll eventually stumble across something that even remotely resembles a rational thought, despite the overwhelming odds against it.

You can question my motives in this thread all day, but i challenge you to identify a single response I've made that was anything less than sincere, or forthright.

Until then, you might want to stick to that which you know best - incoherent babble, Pyongyang dating sites, and being the resident laughing stock.
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You bore me.

I disagree with you and you go off like a child without his toy.

Stop whining. It's pathetic.

 

[sjt18]

Don't agree? Fair enough, please do so here. All I ask is that you begin your retort with what proves your position to be RIGHT, and which you believe can be logically defended against all reasonable scrutiny.

Here's what i think: Neither group can effectively do so, and they know it.

So, if you can't -then please, just shut up until you can.

Instead, I think thay they simply like to argue, hoping to appear somehow superior - all the while knowing that neither they nor anyone else will ever really know the true answer.

I am a "super naturalist". A Christian believing that both the physical and spiritual realms are real and interrelated.

To the best of my ability, I have critically looked at what I believe and why I believe it and have found it to be consistent with itself and what I experience/know in the world in which we live.

Is that the "proof" you are looking for? Probably not. However it does satisfy logic, reason, and my soul. IMO, it makes it superior to every other view to include atheism/materialism or pure spiritualism (the belief that all physical reality is nothing more than a product of the collective consciousness- New Age, Hinduism, et al).