athiests and agnostics know more about religion than churchgoers

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rjd970 said:
I think you are being 100% more honest with why you believe what you do. I may not agree with what you believe, but I can definitely respect that kind of honesty.
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I struggled with being "religious" for 35 years. I thank God every day now that said burden has been lifted.
 
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#278
bamacheats said:
Then where are all the sinless people at?
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Every baby and toddler in the freak'n world.
It is truely sad that someone that, in an earlier post said he thinks him self to be a christian, is so conflicted. It is not meant to be this complicated dude.
 
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bamacheats said:
Your concept of sheol where people are awaiting judgement. I get that but that means that they are just dead, nonexistent, until resurrected. Problem is at every funeral I hear "that they are in heaven now". Which is it? Are they all mistaken and they are dead, waiting on heaven? Or do they go straight to heaven? Assuming there is no other possibility.
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Tell me where it says in the Bible people die and go up to heaven. Or is it really that they all do go to one place that is separated between what is loosely defined as 'good' and 'evil'?

As for what you hear at funerals, I've heard many things non-scriptural at funerals. Actually, I've heard many non-scriptural things from behind the pulpit as well.
 
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#280
Not sure I believe this one, "Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them." Unless they surveyed Catholics under age 10, I'm not sure I believe this stat. That's kind of a big deal that's discussed at Mass every week.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Tell me where it says in the Bible people die and go up to heaven. Or is it really that they all do go to one place that is separated between what is loosely defined as 'good' and 'evil'?

As for what you hear at funerals, I've heard many things non-scriptural at funerals. Actually, I've heard many non-scriptural things from behind the pulpit as well.
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I've concluded that when people die they are just dead.
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T-TownVol said:
Every baby and toddler in the freak'n world.
It is truely sad that someone that, in an earlier post said he thinks him self to be a christian, is so conflicted. It is not meant to be this complicated dude.
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Where's the conflict? We're all sinful. Sounds as though you are conflicted. What, say you, is the exact point that a toddler is no longer sinless, as you claim. And why can't any of these toddlers remain that way? You are conflicted between a sinful ACT and a sinful STATE.
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#284
If someone believes that if a new born baby dies it goes to hell because of its parents sin, then that is some kind of wicked.

I typed that and then remembered that you don't believe in hell. Still pretty wicked to believe that a baby isn't afforded a chance at Heaven because of the parents sin.
 
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bamacheats said:
I've concluded that when people die they are just dead.
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I'm just asking on the points you were arguing or mentioning. Jewish belief is that Sheol encompassed two halves (some even saying more sections than this) and that all dead went here but separated. On the cross Jesus mentions to the thief both would be in paradise that day. We know from Peter's letters that when he died he descended into Hell (Sheol) and preached to the dead in the harrowing of hell. Jesus even told the story of Abraham's bosom describing Sheol in two parts.

Argument on Christ's return: if we die and go to heaven how do we rise on his return if we are coming back from heaven? Going with the rapture discussion - how are the dead raptured if they are in heaven?
 
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bamacheats said:
Where's the conflict? We're all sinful. Sounds as though you are conflicted. What, say you, is the exact point that a toddler is no longer sinless, as you claim. And why can't any of these toddlers remain that way? You are conflicted between a sinful ACT and a sinful STATE.
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I hope God puts some one in your life that can "clear up" your thought process on this because what you just said is SO far from reality that it is sad.

Sin is a WILLFUL act. See if you can put the rest of the puzzle together with that thought in mind.
 
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#287
T-TownVol said:
That dang grape juice is MAGICAL!
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For what it's worth, it isn't grape juice, it's wine (before transubstantiation), just like at the last supper. Jesus didn't call it a symbol when he served it up, and Peter (the first Pope) continued that practice to help continue the message of the last supper.
I, for one, get a lot out of communion every week. I hope others do too.
 
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Panthro said:
For what it's worth, it isn't grape juice, it's wine (before transubstantiation), just like at the last supper. Jesus didn't call it a symbol when he served it up, and Peter (the first Pope) continued that practice to help continue the message of the last supper.
I, for one, get a lot out of communion every week. I hope others do too.
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We use grape juice, would not want all those Baptist recovering alcies to relapse. :)
Communion is a very important part of the Christian's walk with Christ.
 
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Panthro said:
Not sure I believe this one, "Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them." Unless they surveyed Catholics under age 10, I'm not sure I believe this stat. That's kind of a big deal that's discussed at Mass every week.
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I found that odd as well. Makes you suspect some of the other results as well. That's Catholicism 101 right there.
 
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ridethelightening said:
If someone believes that if a new born baby dies it goes to hell because of its parents sin, then that is some kind of wicked.

I typed that and then remembered that you don't believe in hell. Still pretty wicked to believe that a baby isn't afforded a chance at Heaven because of the parents sin.
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Seems to me we should all go around killing all the babies, abortion should be the method of choice. If the baby dies while it is still sinless it automagically goes to Heaven, but if it grows up and sins and doesn't atone, or says that god is just an imaginary friend then he goes straight to Hell. Seems like killing all the babies is the most sure fire way to save their souls, otherwise you leave it to chance.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really.
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Show me which part is wrong:

1. Burning for eternity in hell is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to one.

2. People have to make their own choices, and are subject to many different factors/life situations that can hinder/help them come to the Lord. The way to heaven is narrow, most will not make it.

3. All babies are incapable of sin, and thus will automatically avoid hell if they die.



So if the number 1 thing is to save eternal souls from hell fire, isn't the best and most efficient way to kill them before they have a chance to sin?

This is what we are being told here.
 
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