Auburn/Cam Newton situation (merged)

[tvols75]

Had a late wake-up today, and saw this as soon as I get out of bed.

Unbelievable. This can't be the end of it.

A USC player takes a ride in a golf cart and can't play, but the NCAA knows for a fact that another players father outright asked for $180,000 for his son's signature and he's fine?

I've never been this disgusted with the NCAA.

His father obviously wanted money. Cam said his dad pushed him to Auburn. The NCAA is really naive.

 

[BeecherVol]

Had a late wake-up today, and saw this as soon as I get out of bed.

Unbelievable. This can't be the end of it.

A USC player takes a ride in a golf cart and can't play, but the NCAA knows for a fact that another players father outright asked for $180,000 for his son's signature and he's fine?

I've never been this disgusted with the NCAA.

I don't think it is.

 

[milohimself]

This ruling alone is complete hypocrisy. I haven't read this whole thread, but I'm sure any knucklehead can find a number of cases over the last decade where schools have been slapped with more for less -- whether or not they actually had anything to do with it.

 

[BeecherVol]

This ruling alone is complete hypocrisy. I haven't read this whole thread, but I'm sure any knucklehead can find a number of cases over the last decade where schools have been slapped with more for less -- whether or not they actually had anything to do with it.

JMO but, I think the AA separated the player, from the school in this case. I think their attention is now on AU. And why he went there considering he was shopped.

 

[volinbham]

Had a late wake-up today, and saw this as soon as I get out of bed.

Unbelievable. This can't be the end of it.

A USC player takes a ride in a golf cart and can't play, but the NCAA knows for a fact that another players father outright asked for $180,000 for his son's signature and he's fine?

I've never been this disgusted with the NCAA.

I think part of the issue is process - the eligibility ruling today is different than the investigation and whether or not he will be retroactively rule eligible or ineligible.

My understanding is that these are even different parts of the NCAA (eligibility and enforcement).

It's definitely not over.

 

[GAVol]

I think part of the issue is process - the eligibility ruling today is different than the investigation and whether or not he will be retroactively rule eligible or ineligible.

My understanding is that these are even different parts of the NCAA (eligibility and enforcement).

It's definitely not over.

...And if you know anything about some of the peripheral situations going on in Alabama that may be intertwined like the Colonial Bank shenanigans and the gambling fraud . . . there's no telling how long it may take to sort this all out and how widespread this thing is/will be by the time it's over.

 

[volinbham]

...And if you know anything about some of the peripheral situations going on in Alabama that may be intertwined like the Colonial Bank shenanigans and the gambling fraud . . . there's no telling how long it may take to sort this all out and how widespread this thing is/will be by the time it's over.

I still feel the grand conspiracy wishful thinking.

 

[milohimself]

I still feel the grand conspiracy wishful thinking.

So do I. Catching the PTI rerun on ESPN2 right now, Wilbon seems big on the idea the NCAA ruled Newton eligible after Auburn ruled him ineligible to see to it that TCU doesn't get a shot at the national title.

I lol'd, but I wanna believe conspiracy theories too.

 

[PennVol]

Schad tweeted that no one has disputed that Cam's dad made the choice to go to Auburn b/c the money was too much.

1) We know Daddy pimped him to MSU, that is a fact.

2) We have no proof, but its ridiculous to think Daddy didn't do the same thing to Auburn.

3) I don't think we even have to go as far as "as the plains burn" conspiracy to swear Auburn even played the game, but its obvious the whole Auburn ring would deny they ever heard Daddy shop.

But its going to be difficult for the NCAA to find an admission of Daddy pimping him to Auburn. But once a pimp, always a pimp.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

I think part of the issue is process - the eligibility ruling today is different than the investigation and whether or not he will be retroactively rule eligible or ineligible.

My understanding is that these are even different parts of the NCAA (eligibility and enforcement).

It's definitely not over.

...And if you know anything about some of the peripheral situations going on in Alabama that may be intertwined like the Colonial Bank shenanigans and the gambling fraud . . . there's no telling how long it may take to sort this all out and how widespread this thing is/will be by the time it's over.

I can understand the NCAA process and the fact that they at this time feel they can't or should'nt rule Newton ineligible but I don't understand the SEC and it's commissioner's stance, you know the NCAA has given Slive's office at least a small outline of what they're looking at, possibly even a hint at what they have now.
Slive's failure to act in any way at all, makes no sense to me and looks bad on the SEC, IMO.

 

[PennVol]

Slive will never take any real action against auburn or bama, he is too much of "San Diego"

 

[hmanvolfan]

Pat Hayden is suprised. Pretty good article.

USC football: Pat Haden surprised by NCAA decision regarding Cam Newton | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times

:cray:

 

[volinbham]

I rarely suggest anyone listen to Finebaum but he just had Sonny Vaccaro on and the guy was very interesting.

Sonny Vaccaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It will probably be in the archive tonight or tomorrow and it's worth a listen if you dislike the NCAA (and who doesn't).

 

[orangespirit]

This opens way too many doors now.......
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[PennVol]

Sonny Vaccaro w/PF,'I'm very happy that Cam is going to play football. It's mystified me though on the quickness though of this ruling.'

Vaccaro,'I think the NCAA's now opened pandoras box. I think this is a major can or worms.'

Vaccaro,'My impression here is that football is huge & Slive is protecting the league.'

Vaccaro,'If Cam Newton was Billy Jo Billinger, playing for a team that was 5-5, the NCAA wouldn't have made a ruling this fast!

Vaccaro,'It's not like Auburn has a history of a patron saint program.'

 

[rjd970]

Thought this comment on espn was hilarious...

Hello, My son is 6-4, 235 RB and runs a 4.4. The bids open at $180,000 and my son knows nothing about this. This is based on the Cam Newton rule and I will be entertaining all interested Div. I offers.

 

[PennVol]

may have been posted, but this is a good read on the debacle the NCAA is creating with this ruling:

NCAA decision on Newton opens Pandora's box - College Football - Rivals.com

 

[GAVol]

I still feel the grand conspiracy wishful thinking.

That did sound sort of conspiratorial didn't it?

 

[HOAV]

Short term fix to a long term problem for Auburn....

 

[PowerT83]

Cecil Newton pulled the old Jericho loophole.


WcW was the shiznit.

 

[TennesseeOrange]

Of course he suspended Pearl and let Cam play. If Cam leads Auburn to the National Championship the SEC gets what? $20 mill?

 

[tvolsfan]

I just don't believe this is over. No way the NCAA clears him so fast no one even realized he was ineligible.

 

[volinbham]

I just don't believe this is over. No way the NCAA clears him so fast no one even realized he was ineligible.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record or defender of the NCAA:

There are separate departments (for lack of a better word) in the NCAA - one is reinstatement and another is enforcement/investigation.

A former compliance officer (and no fan of the NCAA) did say that reinstatement evaluations are generally made very quickly and in favor of the student particularly while competition is going on. He didn't see the speed as a big issue.

However, the enforcement/investigation side is likely still at work and at this point they had no reason to delay reinstatement at this time.

From what I've gathered, Auburn had to declare him ineligible (to follow NCAA process) then seek reinstatement. Then NCAA then reinstated. Obviously this had probably been worked out prior and it was simply dotting i's and crossing t's as part of an ongoing investigation.

The mystery is the interpretation of the solicitation rule. I think it's another example of the NCAA keeping their rules open-ended enough to do whatever they damn well please. However, if they uncover solid evidence of wrong doing I think they'll hammer Auburn.

I don't think this tells us much about the investigation other than the fact that the NCAA hasn't yet concluded anything about Auburn being guilty. While definitely not in the clear that has to be a bit of good news for Auburn that they are not already found guilty via evidence/investigation.

 

[roberthunter]

may have been posted, but this is a good read on the debacle the NCAA is creating with this ruling:

NCAA decision on Newton opens Pandora's box - College Football - Rivals.com

There are a lot of knee jerk reactions here and sloppy reading of the ruling. Many of the things that guy claims would be opened up by this ruling are still definitely violations that ignorance on the part of the player would not be a defense to.

 

[BJSforVols]

From what I understand, the 'AA ruled sCam ineligible yesterday and reinstated him today. Maybe it was Monday/Tuesday but regardless, the 'AA seems to be showing favortism as well. But again, we're dealing with a picture taken of a jr recruit and we're still bring hammered for that.

Picture < $180,000
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Actually, Auburn self initiated ruling him ineligible yesterday and then the NCAA ruled him eligible today. Definately sounds like a deal was made and looks like Slive was involved.