Avengers Endgame ****SPOILER THREAD****

[MoCo_Vol]

They took a min to mourn BW but I think having 2 funerals to end the movie would have taken some away from RDJ’s send off when he was essentially the heart and soul of the MCU as a whole. I would just assume there was a funeral for her off camera.

What didn’t you like about CM? She was barely in it and kicked a good bit of ass when she was.

When you have built so many films with other characters for so many years, and in the final installment you drop in one of the strongest characters for an essentially "out of context" cameo appearance it just doesn't work for me.

Prior to the end of IW this character didn't exist in the MCU at all....here's Fury making a call in IW and then pop out a CM movie fast before Endgame to try and make her fit. I don't know, just didn't jive with me I guess.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

When you have built so many films with other characters for so many years, and in the final installment you drop in one of the strongest characters for an essentially "out of context" cameo appearance it just doesn't work for me.

Prior to the end of IW this character didn't exist in the MCU at all....here's Fury making a call in IW and then pop out a CM movie fast before Endgame to try and make her fit. I don't know, just didn't jive with me I guess.

How was it a out of context cameo appearance?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

How was it a out of context cameo appearance?

Well because I don't know she had 15ish minutes of face time in the final installment of a film series that essentially had produced 4 or 5 previous films specifically centered around the core group.

I've not seen the Captain Marvel backstory film, but just looking at the Avengers movies as standalones of their own...and I felt like "who is this, and why do I care?" it made me wonder was she necessary at all? I didn't feel she was, they nearly defeated Thanos twice in IW separated in two different teams and he already had a few stones...figured working all together against him without any stones they could have taken him down without this OP last minute add in Superman superhero type.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Well because I don't know she had 15ish minutes of face time in the final installment of a film series that essentially had produced 4 or 5 previous films specifically centered around the core group.

I've not seen the Captain Marvel backstory film, but just looking at the Avengers movies as standalones of their own...and I felt like "who is this, and why do I care?" it made me wonder was she necessary at all? I didn't feel she was, they nearly defeated Thanos twice in IW separated in two different teams and he already had a few stones...figured working all together against him without any stones they could have taken him down without this OP last minute add in Superman superhero type.

Well you should probably watch her standalone movie to understand her context. Also they would have lost the final battle without her.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Well you should probably watch her standalone movie to understand her context. Also they would have lost the final battle without her.

Unless they rewrote the script to win it without her...it is -just- a movie.

You don't have to agree with me on this though. It's fine either way, not a fan of the addition she didn't help fight the battle in IW so her showing up now seemed pointless. Even if she was written to be the missing piece/savior of it all.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Unless they rewrote the script to win it without her...it is -just- a movie.

You don't have to agree with me on this though. It's fine either way, not a fan of the addition she didn't help fight the battle in IW so her showing up now seemed pointless. Even if she was written to be the missing pieces/savior of it all.

You need to watch her movie to understand why she's just now showing up.

 

[Behr]

Unless they rewrote the script to win it without her...it is -just- a movie.

You don't have to agree with me on this though. It's fine either way, not a fan of the addition she didn't help fight the battle in IW so her showing up now seemed pointless. Even if she was written to be the missing piece/savior of it all.

You think she's ugly?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You need to watch her movie to understand why she's just now showing up.

Or I can just have my own opinion of Endgame?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You think she's ugly?

I actually like the actress, as an actress. But she is probably my least favorite hero in MCU.

 

[Regulator]

IMO, her most important role in Endgame was rescuing Tony (and Nebula) from space. Would’ve been weird for her to just show up and do that without any introduction.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

IMO, her most important role in Endgame was rescuing Tony (and Nebula) from space. Would’ve been weird for her to just show up and do that without any introduction.

I guess it shows that the character wasn't really in the MCU until just lately and that part kind of makes it seem like an after thought.

During the first Avengers when Iron Man was "trapped" in space, if they had introduced her then it might have made her feel more like she belonged. But I'm also of the opinion that if Captain Marvel has been "all over the universe" the she would have ran into a Thanos conflict before perhaps or even ran into the GotG maybe?

 

[VolsnCards5]

Just finding this thread. Need all of this answered pronto.

How did Cap return the stones (especially the soul stone)? Can't be as simple as throwing it off the cliff. Did he see Red Skull there, or is it like that Russo's said in a interview, once the souls Stone was taken, Red Skull is not bound there anymore? Does that mean red skull is out there floating in the universe now? Did cap get to watch the cap vs cap battle? How did Dark World Thor feel when mjolnir just left him? Did cap have to inject Natalie Portman with Ether (creepy)?

When Hulk performed his snap, did they all come back to where they were when they disappeared (Spider-Man made it seem like that). So what happened to all those people that were on planes when the original snap happened?

Remember that time that Thanos had 4 infinity stones and was nearly beaten by a group of avengers? But in this movie Thanos with no stones beats Iron man, Thor, and thunder charged cap? Is it because a building fell on them? Is a building falling on you equivalent to fighting against 4 stones

But mostly. Why didn't Fury call for Captain Marvel at the battle of New York? She could have ended all this then. Did she need 7 more years of seasoning?

Ok I'm done

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So weird...just having this discussion in text form with a friend.

Soul Stone - on the planet Vormir, feel like Capt could have taken it back anytime basically
Time Stone - returned to Dr. Strange's teach and thus he has it in present day again
Space Stone - returned to 1970 and S.H.I.E.L.D. present day unknown location
Mind Stone - this one I am fuzzy on, it was originally in Loki's scepter...and then used to create Ultron and later Vision. But Vision is obviously still gone, but he was killed by Thanos to get the stone so when/where did Capt return it? He would of returned it to himself if we went by the EG timeline...leaves a hole in why Vision isn't back if that's the case
Power Stone - this would have been the one at Morag present day unknown location
Reality Stone - Returned to Asgard and then given to the collector who again was taken out by Thanos so who knows where it is or if the Collector is still gone

The other theory is that it doesn't altar the present, meaning Capt returned them and then Thanos' second snap did eliminate all the stones...so none of them exist anymore. I don't know it's pretty full of holes honestly

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

Just finding this thread. Need all of this answered pronto.

How did Cap return the stones (especially the soul stone)? Can't be as simple as throwing it off the cliff. Did he see Red Skull there, or is it like that Russo's said in a interview, once the souls Stone was taken, Red Skull is not bound there anymore? Does that mean red skull is out there floating in the universe now? Did cap get to watch the cap vs cap battle? How did Dark World Thor feel when mjolnir just left him? Did cap have to inject Natalie Portman with Ether (creepy)?

When Hulk performed his snap, did they all come back to where they were when they disappeared (Spider-Man made it seem like that). So what happened to all those people that were on planes when the original snap happened?

Remember that time that Thanos had 4 infinity stones and was nearly beaten by a group of avengers? But in this movie Thanos with no stones beats Iron man, Thor, and thunder charged cap? Is it because a building fell on them? Is a building falling on you equivalent to fighting against 4 stones

But mostly. Why didn't Fury call for Captain Marvel at the battle of New York? She could have ended all this then. Did she need 7 more years of seasoning?

Ok I'm done

I wondered all this too.. remember when they said before they time traveled , that they needed to not do anything that would change time. So I'm guessing they talked about how to return the stones. And cap prob returned the hammer too. Since taking that , would cause a lot of crap in that timeline if not returned.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Captain Marvel was my least favorite part of it as well.

As for the rest of everything that’s been discussed in this thread, I think you guys are reading way, way too much into everything. There’s never going to be a film that revolves around time travel that doesn’t have a plot hole or two, seeing as how we don’t actually know what the consequences of time travel would actually be...

 

[VolsnCards5]

I wondered all this too.. remember when they said before they time traveled , that they needed to not do anything that would change time. So I'm guessing they talked about how to return the stones. And cap prob returned the hammer too. Since taking that , would cause a lot of crap in that timeline if not returned.

Yea he definitively returns the hammer, but when Thor first gets it, other Thor must have been very confused.

I don’t know how your return the stones at without creating even more branch timelines. Even if you return it exactly at the moment it was taken.

And I can at least see how replacing all of the other stones is possible, but how does one replace the soul stone? It just appears in your hand after a sacrifice.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Captain Marvel was my least favorite part of it as well.

As for the rest of everything that’s been discussed in this thread, I think you guys are reading way, way too much into everything. There’s never going to be a film that revolves around time travel that doesn’t have a plot hole or two, seeing as how we don’t actually know what the consequences of time travel would actually be...

Guess my biggest plot hole from EG was why is Loki & Vision gone gone? Yet we've brought back Gamora (although from a previous time) but then we also have Nebula still running around although her past self was eliminated.

Cause if you take out 2014 Thanos then in 2019 or whenever IF happens he never kills Loki or Vision for their stones.

 

[VolsnCards5]

Guess my biggest plot hole from EG was why is Loki & Vision gone gone? Yet we've brought back Gamora (although from a previous time) but then we also have Nebula still running around although her past self was eliminated.

Cause if you take out 2014 Thanos then in 2019 or whenever IF happens he never kills Loki or Vision for their stones.

Maybe I iron man snap didn’t kill Thanos and co? Just sent them back to ‘14 with no memory/knowledge other than what they had at that point in ‘14?

Time travel is just a bad plot decision

 

[OrangeBlood4life]

Guess my biggest plot hole from EG was why is Loki & Vision gone gone? Yet we've brought back Gamora (although from a previous time) but then we also have Nebula still running around although her past self was eliminated.

Cause if you take out 2014 Thanos then in 2019 or whenever IF happens he never kills Loki or Vision for their stones.

Maybe no vision , because the stone used to create him was taken in the past? Lol. My brain hurts trying figure it all out

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Mind Stone was in Loki's Scepter. Capt snagged it. If he returns it to Avengers timeline then Tony still uses it create Ultron & Vision still happens...which would then leave the biggest plot hole imo. If Vision was created BUT Thanos didn't snatch the stone where is Vision?

 

[CagleMtnVol]

I guess it shows that the character wasn't really in the MCU until just lately and that part kind of makes it seem like an after thought.

During the first Avengers when Iron Man was "trapped" in space, if they had introduced her then it might have made her feel more like she belonged. But I'm also of the opinion that if Captain Marvel has been "all over the universe" the she would have ran into a Thanos conflict before perhaps or even ran into the GotG maybe?

You really should have seen Captain Marvel before watching Endgame it would have helped you make more since of the bigger picture for one thing Nick Fury has known Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers since the late 1980's. It also explains the end credits scene from Infinity War.

One other thing from now own when you watch the films in chronological order Captain Marvel is now 2nd behind Captain America: The First Avenger.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You really should have seen Captain Marvel before watching Endgame it would have helped you make more since of the bigger picture for one thing Nick Fury has known Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers since the late 1980's. It also explains the end credits scene from Infinity War.

One other thing from now own when you watch the films in chronological order Captain Marvel is now 2nd behind Captain America: The First Avenger.

Captain Marvel's origin movie wasn't released until after Infinity War though. And if she's been around with Fury knowing since the 80s then it's even worse to think she didn't show up until end of IW.

To me it would have made more sense to have CM first appear to save Iron Man from space in Avengers. Then she could have essentially established a connection with both the Avengers and battling Thanos, could have then dropped her into the GotG film even since Thanos was present. Even if just as an end credit scene.

Basically felt like "oh let's push this OTHER MOST POWERFUL superhero at the very end of the decade long film series" and I just didn't like it. I'll watch CM though, just because it's part of the MCU.

 

[VOLNPA]

Well because I don't know she had 15ish minutes of face time in the final installment of a film series that essentially had produced 4 or 5 previous films specifically centered around the core group.

I've not seen the Captain Marvel backstory film, but just looking at the Avengers movies as standalones of their own...and I felt like "who is this, and why do I care?" it made me wonder was she necessary at all? I didn't feel she was, they nearly defeated Thanos twice in IW separated in two different teams and he already had a few stones...figured working all together against him without any stones they could have taken him down without this OP last minute add in Superman superhero type.

Watching all of the movies in chronological order is the way to go. You'd feel differently. It all fits

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Watching all of the movies in chronological order is the way to go. You'd feel differently. It all fits

Well I couldn’t though, since they weren’t released that way. When I rewatch I will try it out.

 

[BenGrimm]

Guess my biggest plot hole from EG was why is Loki & Vision gone gone? Yet we've brought back Gamora (although from a previous time) but then we also have Nebula still running around although her past self was eliminated.

Cause if you take out 2014 Thanos then in 2019 or whenever IF happens he never kills Loki or Vision for their stones.

Hulk basically says more than once that mucking with the past doesn’t effect your own time line. Then the Ancient One reiterates the same point. It does however create splinters in the time line. Everything that happens to these Avengers still happened. It’s time travel so you just gotta role with the rules the movie tells you, not what you know from other movies and as Sci-fi. Which they joke about in the movie as well.

Loki taking off with a stone definitely created a splinter that Cap didn’t fix though.

I guess even by those rules I would wonder how Old Man Cap made it back to the correct timeline since he obviously diverged with Peggy... but who cares? It made for one heck of a touching send off for Steve Rogers.