Baltimore Unrest

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McDad said:
My mom would say yes they are bad. I make a distinction with beer, pot, etc. Are you equating the softer and harder substances?
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I'm really curious what you think the distinction is between alcohol and whatever you consider harder substances. If you actually want to be objective, it's hard to argue that alcohol isn't one of, if not the most harmful substance out of all of them.
 
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McDad said:
My mom would say yes they are bad. I make a distinction with beer, pot, etc. Are you equating the softer and harder substances?
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Hard and soft mean nothing because the use is what matters. You can be an occasional cocaine user and that is far preferable to being an alcoholic.

If you want to evaluate the dangers of a drug, you have to look at total net burden on society. Few people OD on alcohol, so in that sense it's not hard, but drunk drivers kill so many people. Annual alcohol-induced death is higher than all other drugs combined.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Hard and soft mean nothing because the use is what matters. You can be an occasional cocaine user and that is far preferable to being an alcoholic.

If you want to evaluate the dangers of a drug, you have to look at total net burden on society. Few people OD on alcohol, so in that sense it's not hard, but drunk drivers kill so many people. Annual alcohol-induced death is higher than all other drugs combined.
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Are you saying a heroin dealer, a pot dealer, a methadone clinic and the local package store are analogous?
 
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n_huffhines said:
How do you know some didn't?

My analogy is stupid to you only because it's colonials vs redcoats. Not blacks vs police. Today the protests are about violent government. Back then the protests were about a tax that was extremely easy to bypass (no one paid it, basically). There is no way the Tea Partiers were more justified in destroying public property.
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Let's say you're right and the protesters are akin to the colonial revolutionaries. Should we treat them like the British treated the rebels?
 
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I'm really trying to see the goodness of someone who deals heroin. The fact that alcohol kills many more people, and other legal drugs are harmful does nothing to bolster the position that a heroin dealer can be a good person, imo.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'm really curious what you think the distinction is between alcohol and whatever you consider harder substances. If you actually want to be objective, it's hard to argue that alcohol isn't one of, if not the most harmful substance out of all of them.
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McDummy? :)
 
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McDad said:
I'm really trying to see the goodness of someone who deals heroin. The fact that alcohol kills many more people, and other legal drugs are harmful does nothing to bolster the position that a heroin dealer can be a good person, imo.
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I mean, if you want to live in a world so black and white, that's fine. The reality is more gray.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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They are guarding the fields to keep people from getting anything from them before they burn them..just saying..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
They are guarding the fields to keep people from getting anything from them before they burn them..just saying..
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Where are you getting your info? Guys I know that deployed to Afghanistan were ordered not to touch the fields because it was the farmers' main source of revenue. The policy may have changed after it hit the news though.
 
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The best part of this stuff in Baltimore is that there will be plenty of material for a 6th season of The Wire. Best TV series ever!
 
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McDad said:
I'm really trying to see the goodness of someone who deals heroin. The fact that alcohol kills many more people, and other legal drugs are harmful does nothing to bolster the position that a heroin dealer can be a good person, imo.
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Because Gray and others aren't defined by just one questionable behavior that they engage in. There are also various types of drug dealers. Some are predators. Some are just addicts. If we judged you by just one of your faults, ignorantly comparing you to the worst offenders with that fault, would you be OK with us saying you are trash?
 
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The Baltimore City PD will announce the results of the investigation May 1st. Could be a bad weekend if they don't charge those 6 officers.
 
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BTW, I did not grow up in the ghetto and most kids I associated with have become contributing adult members of society and we all played with switch blades at one time or another.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Why Freddie Gray ran - Baltimore Sun
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Why did Gray run? He had been arrested a number of times in the past on relatively minor drug charges and other piddling offenses, like having "gaming cards, dice." Did that make him a bad person, a shady character? His friends and neighbors say no. What it makes him is all too typical in a neighborhood where generations of crushing poverty and the war on drugs combine to rob countless young people like him of meaningful opportunities.
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The per capita arrest rate for African Americans in Baltimore is more than three times that for other races, and it's not just a matter of blacks committing more crimes. Things people get away with in nice neighborhoods are the subject of heavy enforcement in places like Sandtown-Winchester. For example, though whites and blacks smoke marijuana at about the same rate, the per capita marijuana possession arrest rate for blacks in Baltimore was 5.6 times higher than that for whites in 2010, according to an analysis by the ACLU. The marijuana possession arrest rate declined by 20 percent in the five years after the peak of O'Malley-era zero-tolerance policing, but the arrest rate for blacks increased by 20 percent. The Sun's Justin Fenton this week reported on a man's arrest for jaywalking near a Freddie Gray protest.
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Nuisance arrests...
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because Gray and others aren't defined by just one questionable behavior that they engage in. There are also various types of drug dealers. Some are predators. Some are just addicts. If we judged you by just one of your faults, ignorantly comparing you to the worst offenders with that fault, would you be OK with us saying you are trash?
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I have no faults. But I forbid you to talk with my wife to verify my claim.

I believe a person can be judged by a single behavior when that particular behavior is significantly damaging to others and ongoing. A person who sells heroin isn't making a one-time bad decision. It isn't an indiscretion.
For the record, I personally feel a pot dealer can be a good person because I don't associate MJ use with a ruined life. Heroin and meth are different somehow. I've never taken an illicit drug so I have no first hand knowledge of how these things work. But it seems that once heroin or meth gets its hooks into you, then a happy, productive life is almost impossible. I also feel like the effectiveness of rehab for these two drugs is very low.
I think a good person would want to do things that has a net positive effect on society and not trade in something that is so destructive.
 
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McDad said:
I have no faults. But I forbid you to talk with my wife to verify my claim.

I believe a person can be judged by a single behavior when that particular behavior is significantly damaging to others and ongoing. A person who sells heroin isn't making a one-time bad decision. It isn't an indiscretion.
For the record, I personally feel a pot dealer can be a good person because I don't associate MJ use with a ruined life. Heroin and meth are different somehow. I've never taken an illicit drug so I have no first hand knowledge of how these things work. But it seems that once heroin or meth gets its hooks into you, then a happy, productive life is almost impossible. I also feel like the effectiveness of rehab for these two drugs is very low.

I think a good person would want to do things that has a net positive effect on society and not trade in something that is so destructive.
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So what about alcohol dealers and ruined lives?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So what about alcohol dealers and ruined lives?
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I think I answered that earlier. But I will provide more insight to more clearly communicate my thoughts.

I find it despicable that folks addicted to alcohol are sold it. I'm not wanting a law to ban it. I'm wanting capitalism with a conscious. I would want those who know the customer has a problem or observe a problem at a bar to feel refuse the sale. My brother may have saved his life If someone had done that.
Alcohol is like pot different than heroin or meth to me. Millions of people can have a beer or glass of wine without impairment and without a life crippling addiction. It's that possible with heroin or meth? Seems to me that the majority why try those get entangled in a runaway addiction which they cannot control. Seems like heroin dealers count on that characteristic.

I hope that makes sense.
 
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McDad said:
I think I answered that earlier. But I will provide more insight to more clearly communicate my thoughts.

I find it despicable that folks addicted to alcohol are sold it. I'm not wanting a law to ban it. I'm wanting capitalism with a conscious. I would want those who know the customer has a problem or observe a problem at a bar to feel refuse the sale. My brother may have saved his life If someone had done that.
Alcohol is like pot different than heroin or meth to me. Millions of people can have a beer or glass of wine without impairment and without a life crippling addiction. It's that possible with heroin or meth? Seems to me that the majority why try those get entangled in a runaway addiction which they cannot control. Seems like heroin dealers count on that characteristic.

I hope that makes sense.
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I agree
 
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