Baltimore Unrest

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Some people have no regard for any laws, have no regard for other people, and are shameless in getting all the free **** they can that they feel they're entitled.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
That may not have been the original goal. But it is easy to see how someone could think it is the goal these days. The disenfranchisement is a known byproduct of a policy that is known to be innefective. Why continue an ineffective policy with known byproducts unless the byproducts are at least a secondary goal of the policy?
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One group commits the most crime. One group populates the majority of prisons. Sounds like it's working.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
So then the goal of the drug war is to populate prison cells with black people? It isn't to end drug distribution and use?
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Do you end speeding by writing speeding tickets?

And no it's not to populate prison with any particular group they just happen to commit the most crime.
 
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Bigurnge said:
One group commits the most visiblecrime. One group populates the majority of prisons. Sounds like it's working.
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I guarantee there are a lot more law breakers among whites than any other group. The rate of crime committing may not be the highest, but by our shear numbers, whites commit the most crimes, and it can't be close, because there are so many laws that we all break them. There is 4 year's worth of reading in the tax code. We all certainly violate the tax code in one way or another. It just goes unenforced. The laws that are enforced are more visible, and those happen to be crimes that inner city people get busted for.

It's like Omar Little said, brief case (in reference to the crooked lawyer) or shotgun, the tool doesn't matter, a thief is a thief. People in the hood know all about white collar thieves and then they see people in their hood getting their spines severed over nothing, and is it really surprising that they want justice?
 
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n_huffhines said:
I guarantee there are a lot more law breakers among whites than any other group. The rate of crime committing may not be the highest, but by our shear numbers, whites commit the most crimes, and it can't be close, because there are so many laws that we all break them. There is 4 year's worth of reading in the tax code. We all certainly violate the tax code in one way or another. It just goes unenforced. The laws that are enforced are more visible, and those happen to be crimes that inner city people get busted for.

It's like Omar Little said, brief case (in reference to the crooked lawyer) or shotgun, the tool doesn't matter, a thief is a thief. People in the hood know all about white collar thieves and then they see people in their hood getting their spines severed over nothing, and is it really surprising that they want justice?
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Sounds like you have a white guilt issue or you're saying black people are inherently dumb.
 
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hog88 said:
Ehhh, while I agree that we need to eliminate, change our drug laws I disagree that they are in place to disenfranchise any particular group.
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The crack laws in the 1980's were designed specifically to do that. That has been proven through leaked CIA documents. That's all I am saying: these laws are designed to disenfranchise black voters by making them felons. In the end, the result will be massive amounts of violence directed towards the police because said ethnic group believes that they are being unfairly treated (and in most cases I believe they are).

But please, if you think I am making excuses for these thieves to do this, I am not. Please refer to my post a few pages back. I just understand why it is happening, or at least I think I do.


Bigurnge said:
How are laws designed to disenfranchise a particular group of people? Are you saying violent crimes, armed robbery, burglary, drug dealing, drug usage, and more are designed to target blacks and not criminals? I know where your opinion belongs.
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No, I am saying that the drug laws of this country are disproportionately designed to hurt one particular group, and it has worked for the past 30 years. What you are seeing now is the issue coming to a head.

SamRebel35 said:
That may not have been the original goal. But it is easy to see how someone could think it is the goal these days. The disenfranchisement is a known byproduct of a policy that is known to be innefective. Why continue an ineffective policy with known byproducts unless the byproducts are at least a secondary goal of the policy?
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This is one of the reasons I like Rand Paul: is for instituting the right to vote back to some convicted felons that committed non-violent crimes, specifically drug laws.
 
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mrorange211 said:
The crack laws in the 1980's were designed specifically to do that. That has been proven through leaked CIA documents. That's all I am saying: these laws are designed to disenfranchise black voters by making them felons. In the end, the result will be massive amounts of violence directed towards the police because said ethnic group believes that they are being unfairly treated (and in most cases I believe they are).

But please, if you think I am making excuses for these thieves to do this, I am not. Please refer to my post a few pages back. I just understand why it is happening, or at least I think I do.
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The looting is nothing more than taking advantage of the situation.

I'm all good with these groups going to war against the police if they choose, they have legitimate grievances. But if they choose to use violence no one should feel sorry for them.
 
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hog88 said:
The looting is nothing more than taking advantage of the situation.

I'm all good with these groups going to war against the police if they choose, they have legitimate grievances. But if they choose to use violence no one should feel sorry for them.
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And I think the same thing. Ultimately, as I stated yesterday, the only way the African-American community will change this is through civil disobedience.
 
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mrorange211 said:
The crack laws in the 1980's were designed specifically to do that. That has been proven through leaked CIA documents. That's all I am saying: these laws are designed to disenfranchise black voters by making them felons. In the end, the result will be massive amounts of violence directed towards the police because said ethnic group believes that they are being unfairly treated (and in most cases I believe they are).

But please, if you think I am making excuses for these thieves to do this, I am not. Please refer to my post a few pages back. I just understand why it is happening, or at least I think I do.




No, I am saying that the drug laws of this country are disproportionately designed to hurt one particular group, and it has worked for the past 30 years. What you are seeing now is the issue coming to a head.



This is one of the reasons I like Rand Paul: is for instituting the right to vote back to some convicted felons that committed non-violent crimes, specifically drug laws.
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You mean illegal drug users and distributors?
 
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hog88 said:
How is civil disobedience going to change the AA community?
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The same way it changed the education, transportation, entertainment, and voting systems of the 1950's and 60's: expose the inequality of drug laws by mass demonstrations to make the government evolve. That's the only way things will change; just annoy the f out of the govt until they do what you want. They will never get what they desire by burning buildings and stealing TV's, and Dr. King knew that.
 
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Bigurnge said:
You mean illegal drug users and distributors?
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Oh you mean the same group of people whose communities were infiltrated by CIA operatives in the early 1980's to specifically get them addicted to crack? Yes, that group of people.


82_VOL_83 said:
So are the breaking and entering or grand theft laws disenfranchising anyone?
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If there are convicted, yes.
 
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mrorange211 said:
Oh you mean the same group of people whose communities were infiltrated by CIA operatives in the early 1980's to specifically get them addicted to crack? Yes, that group of people.




If there are convicted, yes.
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CIA operatives got people addicted to crack?
 
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mrorange211 said:
The same way it changed the education, transportation, entertainment, and voting systems of the 1950's and 60's: expose the inequality of drug laws by mass demonstrations to make the government evolve. That's the only way things will change; just annoy the f out of the govt until they do what you want. They will never get what they desire by burning buildings and stealing TV's, and Dr. King knew that.
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Civil disobedience may change the drug laws, which I support massive overhaul. But the problems within the AA community go far beyond the drug laws.
 
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hog88 said:
Civil disobedience may change the drug laws, which I support massive overhaul. But the problems within the AA community go far beyond the drug laws.
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In what way? I would imagine that most of the problems are somehow directly related or tangentially related to the drug war. That is, perhaps other problems would exist in the community, but are exacerbated by the war on drugs.
 
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