Baltimore Unrest

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volbeast33 said:
As a cop that's not your choice though
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That's bull.. Cops have the discretion to either let someone walk or take them to city hall. I see it all the time. They can cut you a break or make life miserable for you.

Why don't cops just error on the side of being civil? I'm not saying it doesn't happen,just saying it should happen a lot more.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then you don't open yourself up to growth and maturity. You have to learn from experiences.

There is plenty of blame to go around. The citizens need to be held accountable, but it has hard to do when the households that most of them are raised in lacks accountability and structure. Yet, they still should have a basic understanding of right and wrong. Murder, battery, rape, theft... those are all things that we can agree are wrong and it goes across all ethnic, religious, racial boundaries.These are universal crimes.

But some guy on the block with some weed or a guy driving with a busted taillight or a guy behind on child support or a guy selling loose cigarettes or a guy with a switchblade or a gun... I mean really? We are going to put the weight of the judicial system on these guys, yet let people like Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski walk free?
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Did u miss the part where all the guys with minor charges were walking free..... The problem u have is with the law makers not the enforcers
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That's bull.. Cops have the discretion to either let someone walk or take them to city hall. I see it all the time. They can cut you a break or make life miserable for you.

Why don't cops just error on the side of being civil? I'm not saying it doesn't happen,just saying it should happen a lot more.
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Whose to say they haven't let him go before....after twenty times or more then u get tired of it
 
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volbeast33 said:
Did u miss the part where all the guys with minor charges were walking free..... The problem u have is with the law makers not the enforcers
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I have problems with the lawmakers because I understand that govt has a tendency to grow more and be more intrusive to human freedom. I would like to know that the people that are here to "serve and protect" us, however, don't allow politics to get in the way of their jobs. If someone is minding their own business and not hurting any one on the roadways or on a street corner, then why get all Minority Report on these people and start predicting or assuming they are engaged or will be engaged in some kind of illegal activity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure the Founding Fathers spoke something about the dangers to the republic if people don't wear their seatbelts properly... surely that is in one of the Federalist Papers some where.
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The most pathetic thing about that argument is that he doesn't even believe it. He certainly knows that I don't. So why bother?

I'll tell you why... Cause he has nothing else other than to just admit he's a hypocrite.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The most pathetic thing about that argument is that he doesn't even believe it. He certainly knows that I don't. So why bother?

I'll tell you why... Cause he has nothing else other than to just admit he's a hypocrite.
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They stand on those fake arguments just so they don't have to do the hard work and say, "You know what, maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should re-evaluate my position on this and look at it from another angle."

Like I said earlier, 3 months ago, you may have been able to convince me to chase down perps for every petty crime on the books. But now that we are seeing an explosion of cases where where people are dying over petty charges or no charges, I have to change my way of thinking.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Like I said earlier, 3 months ago, you may have been able to convince me to chase down perps for every petty crime on the books. But now that we are seeing an explosion of cases where where people are dying over petty charges or no charges, I have to change my way of thinking.
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I think one of the more common assertions is that lesser offenses can often lead to evidence of much greater criminal activity. Probably the most famous is Berkowitz and a parking ticket.

Anyway, there's no dearth of examples where "small" arrests turned into much bigger arrests. As for that being a justification? I don't know.
 
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Speaking to the Daily Mail, a source close to Goodson’s family said that the officer is distraught with himself for not checking if Gray was belted in. The cop is apparently adamant that there is an audio recording of him asking his fellow officers to make sure that Gray was properly secured.

Goodson, 45, has been on the force since 1999, Baltimore police said. He was driving the van that carried Gray to the jail and is the only officer of the six who is charged with murder. In online court records detailing the charges, his race is listed as African American.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A few perhaps. But many (might even say most) would understand how hard it is to break one's neck on their own while only riding in a vehicle. A larynx, sure. Breaking your own neck by banging your head against the wall? Not seeing it and I'd suspect many of them would as well.

This is a case where common sense should break out. They may stop the minor tickets and whatnot like NYC, but walking out? Doubtful.
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How about if he was on his feet banging his head against a front wall of the van box( but not breaking his neck), and the vehicle started off from being stopped, and he lost his balance, and was thrown from the front of the van to the back , and basically he ran(trying to regain his balance), and slammed his head into the bolt on the door?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
None of the guys in recent events were rapists, murderers, or really all that violent outside of Freddie Grays charge of assault. Everybody else was arrested and ended up dying over busted taillights, child support, possession of drugs, possession of guns or knives, or "running". Since I'm libertarian, the drug possession arrests I think are bogus anyways and don't need to be enforced. Same is true of some of these gun laws. But in none of these events, were cops in the act of saving the community from a violent rapist/killer/molester/corporate bankster/thief.
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One of them was the "gentle giant" Michael Brown.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then you don't open yourself up to growth and maturity. You have to learn from experiences.

There is plenty of blame to go around. The citizens need to be held accountable, but it has hard to do when the households that most of them are raised in lacks accountability and structure. Yet, they still should have a basic understanding of right and wrong. Murder, battery, rape, theft... those are all things that we can agree are wrong and it goes across all ethnic, religious, racial boundaries.These are universal crimes.

But some guy on the block with some weed or a guy driving with a busted taillight or a guy behind on child support or a guy selling loose cigarettes or a guy with a switchblade or a gun... I mean really? We are going to put the weight of the judicial system on these guys, yet let people like Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski walk free?
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Jew lives matter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, read the Moynahan Report from the mid-1960's and holler back at me. Daniel Patrick Moynahan talked about the exact samething I'm talking about 50 years ago. Now we are 2 and a half generations further entrenched with the black community being a matriarchial lead household, rampant poverty, and widespread govt dependence.

Save me with the sanctimonious outrage ("the most pathetic thing I've seen here"). I'm giving you a far different perspective than what the mainstream has been feeding us. The mainstream assumptions are dead wrong, so their resolutions to the problems will be dead wrong (which is why we are still talking about the problems in the black community 50 years later).
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So are you saying that overall black men tend to be irresponsible deadbeats?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Is that really all you have? If so, weak....

Nobody believes that garbage. Not even you...
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If u flip off and cuss a cop.....he can pull u over for anything that is considered against the Law.....I felt the cop handled it appropriately........there a plenty of videos of idiots on YouTube jumping in front of cops flipping off and cussing cops out then acting like their rights are violated if the cop says anything at all....it's really ridiculous.
 
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volbeast33 said:
If u flip off and cuss a cop.....he can pull u over for anything that is considered against the Law.....I felt the cop handled it appropriately........there a plenty of videos of idiots on YouTube jumping in front of cops flipping off and cussing cops out then acting like their rights are violated if the cop says anything at all....it's really ridiculous.
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I would really like everyone to take a second and look at what was just said.

He's basically saying that he knows the cop detained somebody in a non-legal manner (to lecture them) but since they were pretending to do it legally (seatbelt), he is okay with it.

So whether he even knows he's doing it, he's advocating that law-enforcement be given rights the rest of us don't have. He or I cannot make someone pull over and lecture them when we get flipped off. Law enforcement officers can though.

The funny thing is… If he ever encounters an over-entitled cop who simply didn't like something he'd done, regardless of its legality, they'd do the same to him. His years of blind loyalty and obedience would mean nothing.
 
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So next time you're wondering why law-enforcement behave as though they're superior to the rest of us. It's because we allow them to. Hell… Guys like Volbeast encourage it.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
By shopping there don't you qualify as a hipster? The organic movement is an utter farce. But that's another topic.
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I show up clean shaved, well groomed, collared shirt..maybe shorts..wait its Florida of course shorts, sandals..nails clipped..AND I purchase on debit not credit. Not a hipster.


Besides their deli section is pretty tits McGhee
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I show up clean shaved, well groomed, collared shirt..maybe shorts..wait its Florida of course shorts, sandals..nails clipped..AND I purchase on debit not credit. Not a hipster.


Besides their deli section is pretty tits McGhee
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You should try Pettys in longwood.
 
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1972 Grad said:
How about if he was on his feet banging his head against a front wall of the van box( but not breaking his neck), and the vehicle started off from being stopped, and he lost his balance, and was thrown from the front of the van to the back , and basically he ran(trying to regain his balance), and slammed his head into the bolt on the door?
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Is there a chance this is some kind of freak accident that somehow things happened in a sequence that led to his neck breaking? Sure, anything is possible.

Probable? Not so much.

I said it before, I'll say it again. There were six officers on that transport. I flat guarantee someone will flip. The truth will come out.
 
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