Baltimore Unrest

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Bigurnge said:
If they would band together and not enforce them it would be to simply avoid persecution from the rare chance the crook died. Of course if you were getting beat down, robbed, shot or stabbed by some thugs who's to say they shouldn't just look the other way and not risk it.
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Did I say anything about them banding together to not protect civilians from getting beat down, robbed, shot, or stabbed?

Clueless as always, CC.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
This is a question for CDy...... Because if I recall correctly......you may technically be wrong.
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I gave a longer explanation in the Protect and Serve thread if somebody wants to dig that up.

Basically a normal size person without lung disease would've been just fine. The incident was still precipitated by the struggle and probably could've been corrected with timely medical intervention. So his weight certainly played a huge role but he'd probably still be alive had the incident never happened.
 
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Let's say I had a patient on the unit who had cancer. They'd been getting chemo and radiation so they're extremely neutropenic (chemo has wiped out the immune system). So I walked in their room and sprayed a bunch of flu virus. They subsequently get the flu and later die.

Saying the police aren't responsible for EG's death cause he was fat and had crappy lungs would be like me claiming I wasn't responsible for that patient's death cause they were immunosuppressed.

I don't necessarily think the cops intentions were that malicious. That doesn't make them any less responsible though.
 
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Maybe a better analogy would be if you had a guy standing on the ledge of a very tall bridge and someone came and shoved them off and they fell to their death. You would be right to say that they wouldn't have died had they not been standing on the ledge. If they'd been standing in the center of the bridge that shove may have just knocked them down but they'd be fine. That doesn't mean that "standing on the ledge" was their cause of death.

EG was standing dangerously close to the ledge and the cops shoved him off. His proximity to the ledge certainly helped but it's really not that uncommon people to live on that ledge for years and years.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Let's say I had a patient on the unit who had cancer. They'd been getting chemo and radiation so they're extremely neutropenic (chemo has wiped out the immune system). So I walked in their room and sprayed a bunch of flu virus. They subsequently get the flu and later die.

Saying the police aren't responsible for EG's death cause he was fat and had crappy lungs would be like me claiming I wasn't responsible for that patient's death cause they were immunosuppressed.

I don't necessarily think the cops intentions were that malicious. That doesn't make them any less responsible though.
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If the patient had a low white cell count, why didn't you give him a Neulasta shot, instead of the flu virus? Did you not take the Hippocratic Oath?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Let's say I had a patient on the unit who had cancer. They'd been getting chemo and radiation so they're extremely neutropenic (chemo has wiped out the immune system). So I walked in their room and sprayed a bunch of flu virus. They subsequently get the flu and later die.

Saying the police aren't responsible for EG's death cause he was fat and had crappy lungs would be like me claiming I wasn't responsible for that patient's death cause they were immunosuppressed.

I don't necessarily think the cops intentions were that malicious. That doesn't make them any less responsible though.
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I think that was 100% EG fault....bad health, breaking the law, resisting arrest
 
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1972 Grad said:
If the patient had a low white cell count, why didn't you give him a Neulasta shot, instead of the flu virus? Did you not take the Hippocratic Oath?
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That and Neupogen are insanely expensive, Neulasta far more so. I've only given it a few times but it's always weird giving somebody a $5K shot.

And I'm not a physician so I didn't take the Hippocratic Oath.
 
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Bigurnge said:
How ironic
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Cdy someone very close to me is HIV positive. Her Tcell count..though i know its not called that anymore..was recently only 9. It should be thousands. She was hospitalized for almost a month and nearly passed. Her immune system is terribly suppressed. Are the drugs you listed above what she needs? Will they help? How? Thanks.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then you don't open yourself up to growth and maturity. You have to learn from experiences.

There is plenty of blame to go around. The citizens need to be held accountable, but it has hard to do when the households that most of them are raised in lacks accountability and structure. Yet, they still should have a basic understanding of right and wrong. Murder, battery, rape, theft... those are all things that we can agree are wrong and it goes across all ethnic, religious, racial boundaries.These are universal crimes.

But some guy on the block with some weed or a guy driving with a busted taillight or a guy behind on child support or a guy selling loose cigarettes or a guy with a switchblade or a gun... I mean really? We are going to put the weight of the judicial system on these guys, yet let people like Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, Henry Kissinger or Zbigniew Brzezinski walk free?
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ok, i may have missed it but when did a cop shoot a guy for a busted tail light?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I would really like everyone to take a second and look at what was just said.

He's basically saying that he knows the cop detained somebody in a non-legal manner (to lecture them) but since they were pretending to do it legally (seatbelt), he is okay with it.

So whether he even knows he's doing it, he's advocating that law-enforcement be given rights the rest of us don't have. He or I cannot make someone pull over and lecture them when we get flipped off. Law enforcement officers can though.

The funny thing is… If he ever encounters an over-entitled cop who simply didn't like something he'd done, regardless of its legality, they'd do the same to him. His years of blind loyalty and obedience would mean nothing.
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uh, we the normal citizens don't have the right to chase down criminals, get cheaper doughnuts, and wear their snazy uniforms either. There are a lot of things cops are expected to do that normal citizens can't/wouldn't/shouldn't. please come back with a better argument than you are jealous the law gives them more options to stop criminals.

uh and i don't know when/where you grew up but i have seen plenty of parents ridicule/admonish other kids (not theirs) for bad action. in fact that is part of what Ras is arguing about, the culture of right vs wrong coming from the home party.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Also, answer me this. It is not uncommon to see Good Humor ice cream trucks rolling through the neighborhoods, serving little boys and girls. I can see that.

But you're telling me that the Baltimore PD is rolling around a paddy wagon all over the hood in expectation of that many arrests being made along the route? Really? I can see having a paddy wagon in waiting somewhere if a big sting operation is going down where you are anticipating a large number of arrests. But how can a squad car not satisfy the number of occupants needed on a regular day of patrolling the streets? Especially when you consider that Freddie Gray's arrest still has a sketchy reasoning for even occurring. You know what it sounds like to me? I bet this paddy wagon roams the streets while these cops go about harassing enough people each day that they can expect to make dozens of arrests for the most flaccid reasons imaginable (and in the case of Gray, seemingly no reason).

Is this the kind of police state we want in this country?
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by what i have read there were three "criminals" in the van. Freddie, the one who heard nothing and the other that talked about a rough ride/heard pleas for help. three seems enough to justify a van over a squad car.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Cops could certainly band together and take a stand and say, "we don't want to enforce these failed policies any longer. Civilians and LEOs are dying for no reason and we are wasting time and money on this petty garbage when we should be going after real criminals."

I think that would go a long way in changing the minds of policy makers and average people alike regarding the war on drugs. Staying silent on the matter only helps to perpetuate the stupidity and oppression.
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lol, that will go over well for them. I don't know about you but if i suddenly stopped doing parts of my job because "it wasn't working as intended" i would be fired, and would have a hard time finding a job. certainly i can talk to my boss about it, but until i am told to stop I am expected to do my job, even the parts that are "failures"

*in this case failures mean losing money.
 
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LouderVol said:
lol, that will go over well for them. I don't know about you but if i suddenly stopped doing parts of my job because "it wasn't working as intended" i would be fired, and would have a hard time finding a job. certainly i can talk to my boss about it, but until i am told to stop I am expected to do my job, even the parts that are "failures"

*in this case failures mean losing money.
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You're right, it would actually take some courage to do what I suggested.

It's also why it's important for it to be a concerted group effort rather than one officer going to his boss and letting his feelings be known. They might fire one guy for speaking out against the idiocy. Would they fire the whole department?
 
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