Baltimore Unrest

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

So, You Don't Care About a Million Dead Iraqis, But Do Care About Broken Windows

 

[LouderVol]

so we shouldn't care about the looting or we should care more the Iraqi's? I am confused. one is closer to home and is based around cops overstepping their powers, cops are generally people we the general people deal with. The other is a group of people the general public couldn't find on a map and the death comes from the military and decisions made in Congress and the White House, neither of which we the general people generally deal with. seems like we should fix our own problems at home before we fix those elsewhere

 

[hog88]

So, You Don't Care About a Million Dead Iraqis, But Do Care About Broken Windows

Pretty much, next?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Freddie Gray officer threatened to kill himself and ex-partner's husband, court document alleges | US news | The Guardian


Why was this guy still interacting with the public? He was a bigger threat to society then Freddie was

This.




Dat be one crazy white boy.

 

[82_VOL_83]

So, You Don't Care About a Million Dead Iraqis, But Do Care About Broken Windows

Yes.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

From the article that obviously hasn't been read.

"The US government is the biggest thug in the world. Your government looted your entire country’s working class. Where is the outrage and condemnation from good Americans that don’t believe in looting? I guess — for many Americans — a few broken windows smashed by society’s oppressed is more important than a few trillion dollars ripped off by America’s ruling bureaucracy. And forget about those dozens of entire countries destroyed by US-backed conflict; BROKEN WINDOWS GUYS! That’s the real problem."

 

[hog88]

From the article that obviously hasn't been read.

"The US government is the biggest thug in the world. Your government looted your entire country’s working class. Where is the outrage and condemnation from good Americans that don’t believe in looting? I guess — for many Americans — a few broken windows smashed by society’s oppressed is more important than a few trillion dollars ripped off by America’s ruling bureaucracy. And forget about those dozens of entire countries destroyed by US-backed conflict; BROKEN WINDOWS GUYS! That’s the real problem."

:cray:

 

[82_VOL_83]

From the article that obviously hasn't been read.

"The US government is the biggest thug in the world. Your government looted your entire country’s working class. Where is the outrage and condemnation from good Americans that don’t believe in looting? I guess — for many Americans — a few broken windows smashed by society’s oppressed is more important than a few trillion dollars ripped off by America’s ruling bureaucracy. And forget about those dozens of entire countries destroyed by US-backed conflict; BROKEN WINDOWS GUYS! That’s the real problem."

You gonna go with that quote? My answer to your original post is still yes.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I would be "protesting" too. From Reason...I can post the link later.

Baltimore has a history of such trumped-up charges. A 2006 class action lawsuit backed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) cited "a pattern and practice" of bogus arrests for minor, often vaguely defined offenses such as loitering, trespassing, impeding pedestrian traffic, disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and failure to obey a police command.

Of 76,497 people arrested by Baltimore police without warrants in 2005, the lawsuit noted, prosecutors declined to charge 25,293—nearly one out of three. According to the state's attorney, those cases were "legally insufficient."

The arrests nevertheless had real consequences for people who were publicly kidnapped by armed agents of the state, strip-searched, and placed in "small, filthy, and overcrowded cells" for hours or days. In addition to the humiliation, degradation, and loss of liberty inflicted by this process, the ACLU and NAACP noted, victims of illegal arrests "may lose their jobs or be denied job opportunities in the future as a result of the permanent stigma of having a criminal charge on their record."

Really??? No wonder we have no room for the blood thirsty killers and rapists out here... we've got the jails filled up with loiterers, eye rollers, and bird flippers...

 

[n_huffhines]

Lmao so true

How Western media would cover Baltimore if it happened elsewhere - The Washington Post

 

[jp1]

Lmao so true

How Western media would cover Baltimore if it happened elsewhere - The Washington Post

*"The latest crisis is taking place in Baltimore, Maryland, a once-bustling city*on the country’s Eastern Seaboard"

Have Britain (and the Washington Post) look up the racial breakdown of violent crime in the US before the start throwing out their skewed figures.

 

[volbeast33]

Really??? No wonder we have no room for the blood thirsty killers and rapists out here... we've got the jails filled up with loiterers, eye rollers, and bird flippers...

Those are citation type offenses....not jail time

 

[LouderVol]

lots of lol in that article

Baltimore is no exception to this trend, with some areas seeing home values rise as much as 137 percent after corporate dollars move in on opportunities in poverty-stricken areas.

whats 137% of $1?

Resident Joe Smith, a member of the white majority ethnic group, said outside of a brand-new Starbucks near Baltimore’s Inner Harbor, “I don’t know why these blacks are destroying their own communities. Why don’t these people follow Martin Luther King’s example? Those guys got it good from the police back then too, but they didn’t try to rise up and fight back and make everyone uncomfortable, you know?”

i like how they make following MLKs example sound as dumb as possible by having whitee say it.

overall that article sounds more dismissive than what i have generally read. only thing that article does is use more labels.

 

[Grand Vol]

We had violent storms in Oklahoma last night and the news just showed a CVS that was damaged from some flying debris.

But I didn't see it looted. Just the sign damaged.

 

[McDad]

We had violent storms in Oklahoma last night and the news just showed a CVS that was damaged from some flying debris.

But I didn't see it looted. Just the sign damaged.

Violent storms are like the Boston Tea Party.

 

[Grand Vol]

Violent storms are like the Boston Tea Party.

There was flooding last night. I suppose I could have gone down and tossed all the CVS brand products into the runoff in protest.

 

[lawgator1]

Looks like there is going to be a ton for the defense attorneys to work with here.


Sources: Police have different findings than Mosby - CNNPolitics.com

 

[n_huffhines]

Looks like there is going to be a ton for the defense attorneys to work with here.

Sources: Police have different findings than Mosby - CNNPolitics.com

I'm not surprised that the police have different findings in their investigation. LOL

If these guys didn't do anything wrong with intent, I hope they are absolved. Independent of their innocence/guilt, they don't have to go down for murder for this to be a win for social justice. The fact that Gray should have never been arrested is enough to convince people to change their minds on issues relating to the inner city.

The way the country is talking about this has me hoping for a better future. It seems evident the tide is turning on the war on drugs, and this could be one of the final blows to it.

As much as people want to dismiss all protesters as looters, the rioters grabbed the country's attention and the peaceful protesters have a just cause which got noticed.

If it does change things, that begs the question...is looting an effective form of protest?

 

[Bigurnge]

He was arrested, should've been arrested, and shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with.

 

[lawgator1]

I question the lack of probable cause to arrest. If he ran from police in a high crime area that provides reasonable suspicion to stop him. If he continued to run after being told to stop, at least in Florida that is the crime of resisting an officer and is arrestable. Plus there is the issue of the knife, which appears to be in doubt.

 

[hog88]

I question the lack of probable cause to arrest. If he ran from police in a high crime area that provides reasonable suspicion to stop him. If he continued to run after being told to stop, at least in Florida that is the crime of resisting an officer and is arrestable. Plus there is the issue of the knife, which appears to be in doubt.

I detest agreeing with you but I do. If he was alive today and in front of a judge I doubt his defense would even consider bringing it up.

 

[n_huffhines]

I question the lack of probable cause to arrest. If he ran from police in a high crime area that provides reasonable suspicion to stop him. If he continued to run after being told to stop, at least in Florida that is the crime of resisting an officer and is arrestable. Plus there is the issue of the knife, which appears to be in doubt.

Maybe he ran from the police in Baltimore because they make 75 bad arrests per day.

There is a big problem with the criminal justice system when you can be arrested for resisting an officer's command. That's like a charge to add to other charges. It's not a charge in and of itself. It's ridiculous.

 

[n_huffhines]

I detest agreeing with you but I do. If he was alive today and in front of a judge I doubt his defense would even consider bringing it up.

Or he would be part of the next class action lawsuit against the BPD and ultimately the Baltimore taxpayer.

 

[hog88]

Or he would be part of the next class action lawsuit against the BPD and ultimately the Baltimore taxpayer.

That might have been a possibility and I wouldn't have a problem with it, but trying to push the notion that his arrest was illegal is asinine.

 

[n_huffhines]

That might have been a possibility and I wouldn't have a problem with it, but trying to push the notion that his arrest was illegal is asinine.

No it's not asinine. It's a completely legitimate position to take, and it's probably the right position to take.

Either way, if it is a legal arrest, it doesn't make it a useful arrest.

75 bad arrests per day. What does the average bad arrest cost the tax payer? A few thousand $? So maybe $200k per day spent on bad arrests? What about the social cost? The cost to the individual falsely arrested? This is outrageous. Everybody should be against this.