Baltimore Unrest

[Grand Vol]

Classic deflection. Saying theft is bad is a waste of time in here. Everybody knows it. Pointing out the tea partiers did the same thing is a revelation to some. I focus on making points that will make a difference.

So simple question, do you or do you not support people in Baltimore looting individual businesses?

And as I pointed out way earlier in the thread, the Boston Tea Partiers did not steal the tea.

 

[Grand Vol]

It was a strike at the king since the King profited directly through royalties, licenses and yes taxes.

Just stop.

 

[hog88]

So simple question, do you or do you not support people in Baltimore looting individual businesses?

And as I pointed out way earlier in the thread, the Boston Tea Partiers did not steal the tea.

Don't muddy the waters with facts. It destroys a good rant.

 

[n_huffhines]

It was a strike at the king since the King profited directly through royalties, licenses and yes taxes.

Just stop.

Yeah, the East India Tea Company paid royalties/taxes to the government. How is this any different from Baltimore businesses paying property, sales, and income tax? In both cases they are revenue generators for government and privately owned.

Just stop :cray:

 

[n_huffhines]

So simple question, do you or do you not support people in Baltimore looting individual businesses?

And as I pointed out way earlier in the thread, the Boston Tea Partiers did not steal the tea.

Not everyone in Baltimore is stealing. You don't know that the BTP didn't steal any tea. Also, it makes no difference to the person whose property was destroyed.

No, I do not support looting in the Tea Party or in Baltimore. I'm the consistent one.

 

[Grand Vol]

Yeah, the East India Tea Company paid royalties/taxes to the government. How is this any different from Baltimore businesses paying property, sales, and income tax? In both cases they are revenue generators for government and privately owned.

Just stop :cray:

You mean the ones that are still able to function after being destroyed?

 

[n_huffhines]

You mean the ones that are still able to function after being destroyed?

deflection

 

[Grand Vol]

deflection

Obviously not. Are there or are there not businesses that were destroyed in Baltimore by rioters that will now be unable to pay income, property and sales taxes?

Deflection is you attempting to connect the Boston Tea Party to a bunch of thugs (no racist) that looted for personal gains.

Would you like me to link (again) the historical fact Sam Adams and the rest of the posse dumped all 342 chests of tea into the harbor?

 

[hog88]

Yeah, the East India Tea Company paid royalties/taxes to the government. How is this any different from Baltimore businesses paying property, sales, and income tax? In both cases they are revenue generators for government and privately owned.

Just stop :cray:

Nothing was privately owned.

By the Regulating Act of 1773 (later known as the East India Company Act 1773), the Parliament of Great Britain imposed a series of administrative and economic reforms; this clearly established Parliament's sovereignty and ultimate control over the Company.

 

[McDad]

...sounds JUST like the Boston Tea Party, except their issues seem more important than a tax.

In a way, it does. But to be precisely synonymous, the protestors should only target a inconceivablely large corporate entity which has shareholders made up of very wealthy Americans and Politicians (since there is no Aristocracy in America). It is difficult to find uch a specific entity in one's backyard even if one exists at all.

The East India Company wasn't controlled by the Monarchy. It was comprised of wealthy and aristocratic shareholders though. As such, the cargo was owned by the company which in turn was owned by the individual shareholders. The Sons of Liberty destroyed private property. However, their actions and the actions of rioters / looters have distinct differences.

The BTP was more a guerilla attack on a specific target which pushed England and The Colonies closer to war. We could even call it a terrorist attack if it suits you. Modern day protestors are a mob of opportunists destroying and stealing indiscriminately.

If current protestors really want to be percieved by the court of public opinion as fighting for freedom and/or constitutional rights and they want to destroy symbols of oppression to emphasize their stand, they should focus their energies on government buildings and institutions. Stealing merchandise and destroying property from a mom-n-pop store or a national retailer for that matter doesn't make a political statement. It makes a parastic statement.

 

[n_huffhines]

Obviously not. Are there or are there not businesses that were destroyed in Baltimore by rioters that will now be unable to pay income, property and sales taxes?

Deflection is you attempting to connect the Boston Tea Party to a bunch of thugs (no racist) that looted for personal gains.

Would you like me to link (again) the historical fact Sam Adams and the rest of the posse dumped all 342 chests of tea into the harbor?

Oh, because someone says it, it must be true. I can show you a link that says Washington had wooden teeth, but he didn't. That's a verifiable fact that gets muddled. This is not verifiable. I have no faith in that fact.

It may be right, but the point remains the same. Whether you steal my car or burn it, it's gone.

 

[Grand Vol]

Oh, because someone says it, it must be true. I can show you a link that says Washington had wooden teeth, but he didn't. That's a verifiable fact that gets muddled. This is not verifiable. I have no faith in that fact.

It may be right, but the point remains the same. Whether you still my car or burn it, it's gone.

This is the part of the conversation where you are seriously reaching.

See McDad's post above. One of the best serious posts I've seen from him.

 

[n_huffhines]

Nothing was privately owned.

Control is not ownership. It was still privately owned and in financial trouble. The East India Tea Company asked the king to relax duties (and he did).

 

[n_huffhines]

If current protestors really want to be percieved by the court of public opinion as fighting for freedom and/or constitutional rights and they want to destroy symbols of oppression to emphasize their stand, they should focus their energies on government buildings and institutions. Stealing merchandise and destroying property from a mom-n-pop store or a national retailer for that matter doesn't make a political statement. It makes a parastic statement.

The problem is protesters are not organized. Even if 90% of them want to do it peaceably outside government buildings, everyone in the media and their political opponents will still focus on the 10% of protesters who are looting.

 

[Grand Vol]

The problem is protesters are not organized. Even if 90% of them want to do it peaceably outside government buildings, everyone in the media and their political opponents will still focus on the 10% of protesters who are looting.

It's a simple solution.

The 90% should be putting a stop to that 10% instead of standing around and watching it like some city councilmen were doing on the Monday night riots.

 

[hog88]

The problem is protesters are not organized. Even if 90% of them want to do it peaceably outside government buildings, everyone in the media and their political opponents will still focus on the 10% of protesters who are looting.

I think your percentages are way off but here is your problem. Once they start destroying and looting, they are not protestors, they are worthless criminals.

 

[n_huffhines]

It's a simple solution.

The 90% should be putting a stop to that 10% instead of standing around and watching it like some city councilmen were doing on the Monday night riots.

That is not a simple solution at all.

 

[hog88]

It's a simple solution.

The 90% should be putting a stop to that 10% instead of standing around and watching it like some city councilmen were doing on the Monday night riots.

Sounds like a good name for a TV show.

 

[n_huffhines]

So maybe I can appeal to fiscal conservatives...Baltimore budgets are sunk and they are making 75 bad arrests per day. That's worth protesting alone.

 

[Grand Vol]

That is not a simple solution at all.

Oh?

It's very simple. Policing their own seems to work pretty well as we saw on Tuesday and continuing. You can't tell me that the residents of Baltimore couldn't have put a stop to that nonsense if they wanted. Which they did in later nights.

 

[hog88]

So maybe I can appeal to fiscal conservatives...Baltimore budgets are sunk and they are making 75 bad arrests per day. That's worth protesting alone.

I'm all for protesting.

 

[LouderVol]

What are talking you about? Leave Louder alone? He came at me and I was not insulting.

Why aren't you tired of the police wasting your money? Why aren't you tired of the war on drugs wasting your money?

Be a man and participate in intelligent conversation. Stay on topic. I know it's really hard.

I am more tired of my money going to support people too lazy to get a job, or their medical expenses. I am more tired of rewarding failure than I am with supporting a misguided war on drugs. The laws are the laws until they aren't, and I support their enforcement, if the laws are unconstitutional the Supreme Court needs to decide that, you know how its supposed to happen according to the Constitution. Nothing is ever said about people getting a free ride. Until the welfare stops I see no reason to stop the war on drugs.

 

[hog88]

This is going to be good. I'd recommend anybody who has the means to GTFO of Baltimore now.

Baltimore mayor calls for federal investigation into police

 

[Grand Vol]

This is going to be good. I'd recommend anybody who has the means to GTFO of Baltimore now.

Baltimore mayor calls for federal investigation into police

Isn't this pretty much admitting she doesn't even have control of her city's basic services?

 

[LouderVol]

So maybe I can appeal to fiscal conservatives...Baltimore budgets are sunk and they are making 75 bad arrests per day. That's worth protesting alone.

Baltimore's budget is sunk and they are providing welfare to the people destroying the city. that's worth protesting.