Baylor DE Convicted of Sexual Assault

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BUBear said:
I've heard baseless rumblings (thus far) that Baylor tried to keep it quiet but it has actually been out there since June of 2014 when Ukwuachu's was indicted. Why Dead Spin and Texas Monthly decided to sit on it until the trial started is something they will have to explain.

Sure you will have your Nancy Graces and other game show hosts of her ilk try to profit off of this but they are Nancy Grace and game show hosts.
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Transparency was further muddled when Laborde filed for, and received, a gag order preventing herself, Sibley, or Ukwuachu from talking to the press. In fact, almost no one connected with the case was willing to speak on the record—multiple interview requests to Laborde, Sibley, Boise State associate athletic director Marc Paul, Baylor head coach Art Briles, Baylor defensive coordinator Phil Bennett, and Baylor Associate Dean for Student Conduct Bethany McCraw were all declined. Even a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Texas Monthly with the Waco Police Department for documents relating to the department’s investigation and Ukwuachu’s arrest following his indictment was met with a letter declaring that all information outside of the Incident Report following Doe’s visit to Hillcrest Hospital the day after her encounter with Ukwuachu was exempt from the law requiring disclosure.
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C'mon Bear, try to keep up. Like Free Shoes U, your school has a lot of control over what's happening in Wacko. The Judge was a 2nd generation Baylor grad, who else do you have there in high places?
 
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zjcvols said:
As Butch as repeatedly shown.

Von Pearson was being investigated and was suspended from the team AND university for four full months. Trayvon Paulk was arrested for domestic violence and immediately was kicked off. A.J. Johnson and Michael Williams were both important players last year and suspended immediately during the middle of the season for being investigated in a rape case and didn't play for Tennessee again.

And Tennessee is just a regular public school, not even a big time fancy Christian private school.
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Hope it doesn't cost Butch what it cost Duke in credibility and $$$ what it cost Duke over that little Lacrosse thingy. Duke's endowment >>>>Tennessee's. Something about due process.
 
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BUBear said:
Hope it doesn't cost Butch what it cost Duke in credibility and $$$ what it cost Duke over that little Lacrosse thingy. Duke's endowment >>>>Tennessee's. Something about due process.
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Playing football at the University of Tennessee is a privilege not a right.
 
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BUBear said:
In the aftermath of Duke Lacrosse, Baylor Athletics did exactly what more and more universities will do...let the judicial system run it's course.

Twelve citizens of McLennan County came to the right conclusion and one county judge didn't (and that truely sucks).

The victim's grievance is with the state and I wish her well with that but it didn't work out so well for Mike Leach.
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Any explanation on why the girls scholarship was reduced? Smells like the AD wanted this girl to go away.
 
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zjcvols said:
As Butch as repeatedly shown.

Von Pearson was being investigated and was suspended from the team AND university for four full months. Trayvon Paulk was arrested for domestic violence and immediately was kicked off. A.J. Johnson and Michael Williams were both important players last year and suspended immediately during the middle of the season for being investigated in a rape case and didn't play for Tennessee again.

And Tennessee is just a regular public school, not even a big time fancy Christian private school.
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A flagship public school is under a lot more pressure and scrutiny than a religious private school, imo. And the proof is in this story: local media didn't even know he was being investigated despite it being public record.

I've been at both a public and private university. A public university, specifically UT, is an absolute fishbowl.
 
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Mtntrout said:
A flagship public school is under a lot more pressure and scrutiny than a religious private school, imo. And the proof is in this story: local media didn't even know he was being investigated despite it being public record.

I've been at both a public and private university. A public university, specifically UT, is an absolute fishbowl.
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I agree in a sense, but you would think that a private, Christian school (without having to worry about public laws) would be much more ahead of the curve in matters like this.
 
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BUBear said:
Hope it doesn't cost Butch what it cost Duke in credibility and $$$ what it cost Duke over that little Lacrosse thingy. Duke's endowment >>>>Tennessee's. Something about due process.
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Due process does not apply to a football team
 
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ntxVOL said:
C'mon Bear, try to keep up. Like Free Shoes U, your school has a lot of control over what's happening in Wacko. The judge was a second generation Baylor Grad, who else do you have there in high places
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The jury in this trial had the same problem with the rape kit test that Waco PD had...it wasn't consistent with rape. After deliberating for four hours they convicted Ukwuachu on the lesser charge of sexual assault, not rape.

The following day the jury deliberated for three hours and came back with the "recommendation" of 8 years probation. The word "recommendation" in Texas law isn't really a recommendation at all.

[The Tex. Code of Crim. Pro states what if the jury recommends that the sentence be probated, the judge SHALL probate the sentence, ordering the defendant to be on supervision for a period of no more than 10 years. The code also allows a judge to order up to 180 days confinement in the county jail as a condition of probation.
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The second generation Baylor Grad upped the sentence to the most he was allowed to do by law. The jury "recommended" zero days in jail.

What did the judge in the rape trial in Tallahassee do?
 
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volfanhill said:
Due process does not apply to a football team
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The football team wasn't on trial in this case, Sam Ukwuachu was. What other rights are you willing to deny the citizens?

Don't get me wrong, I think he deserves more than what be got but there is a rule of law and he got his day in court.

That said, would it be wrong of me to wish he meet up with some of the Banditos biker gang that are still in McLennan County jail? :)
 
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BUBear said:
As opposed to where...FSU, Texas (Alamo Bowl incident), Tennessee?? Where do we send our daughters where they will be safe? Can't send our sons to Penn St.

Shut it down, shut the whole damned thing down.
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Community college.
 
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BUBear said:
The jury in this trial had the same problem with the rape kit test that Waco PD had...it wasn't consistent with rape. After deliberating for four hours they convicted Ukwuachu on the lesser charge of sexual assault, not rape.

The following day the jury deliberated for three hours and came back with the "recommendation" of 8 years probation. The word "recommendation" in Texas law isn't really a recommendation at all.

[The Tex. Code of Crim. Pro states what if the jury recommends that the sentence be probated, the judge SHALL probate the sentence, ordering the defendant to be on supervision for a period of no more than 10 years. The code also allows a judge to order up to 180 days confinement in the county jail as a condition of probation.
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The second generation Baylor Grad upped the sentence to the most he was allowed to do by law. The jury "recommended" zero days in jail.

What did the judge in the rape trial in Tallahassee do?
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Bear, that is total BS, the TX penal code doesn't have a charge for "rape", it is covered under the broader charge of sexual assault. And the jury had no problem with finding him guilty. Where are you getting that there was a problem with the rape kit other than your school chose to act like it didn't exist in it's own investigation?

My remark about the judge being a Baylor grad was in reference to the gag order. That gag order helped keep this whole thing quiet while the Wacko media turned a blind eye to other information that was publicly available.

The big issue here is that your school harbored this guy on their campus while keeping everything quiet. Your DC made remarks in the spring the he expected this guy to play. All this AFTER he had been indicted.
 
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ntxVOL said:
Bear, that is total BS, the TX penal code doesn't have a charge for "rape", it is covered under the broader charge of sexual assault. And the jury had no problem with finding him guilty. Where are you getting that there was a problem with the rape kit other than your school chose to act like it didn't exist in it's own investigation?

My remark about the judge being a Baylor grad was in reference to the gag order. That gag order helped keep this whole thing quiet while the Wacko media turned a blind eye to other information that was publicly available.

The big issue here is that your school harbored this guy on their campus while keeping everything quiet. Your DC made remarks in the spring the he expected this guy to play. All this AFTER he had been indicted.
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Exactly. Everyone at Baylor thought this kid was going to be cleared. How they came to this conclusion is a baffling mystery. A jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning the doubts Briles and company had weren't reasonable.
 
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volfanhill said:
Oh I wasn't defending the University or this POS. I was replying to the line of thinking that teams win championships because they have criminals on them. It's said like its some meaningful observation, when it's not surprising or that pertinent.
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Actually, we all are defending these slugs when we have colleges turning their heads on these kids' behavior and allowing them into their programs because of their talent. We as fans are allowing it by buying tickets to watch them play. We are allowing it by watching TV games and raising ratings thus producing money for the networks and schools.

Why can't the NCAA set behavioral admission standards for athletic programs like they do for academics? UT uses the excuse that they have to recruit the marginal behavior athletes to remain competitive with other SEC schools. Where are the standards? Why do we continue to enable these kids thug behavior?

People criticize corporations for their "winning at all costs" attitudes, but at the same time promote the same attitude in supporting college athletics. You can't have it both ways.
 
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BUBear said:
The football team wasn't on trial in this case, Sam Ukwuachu was. What other rights are you willing to deny the citizens?

Don't get me wrong, I think he deserves more than what be got but there is a rule of law and he got his day in court.

That said, would it be wrong of me to wish he meet up with some of the Banditos biker gang that are still in McLennan County jail? :)
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Yes, your program was on trial. Just as UT will be when the William and Johnson trials start. The BU program was the only reason this kid came to Waco.

It is guilt by association when these programs knowingly use female students as a recruiting tool to attract these players. Then when they get to campus they are pampered and given benefits and advantages that other students do not get. If an academic student gets arrested no one cares. If an athlete gets arrested then there is a covey of administrators, boosters, and lawyers to help minimize the story and protect the athlete.

Yes, BU was on trial. As will be UT and other programs. The system is broken and enables criminal behavior.
 
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BUBear said:
I've heard baseless rumblings (thus far) that Baylor tried to keep it quiet but it has actually been out there since June of 2014 when Ukwuachu's was indicted. Why Dead Spin and Texas Monthly decided to sit on it until the trial started is something they will have to explain.

Sure you will have your Nancy Graces and other game show hosts of her ilk try to profit off of this but they are Nancy Grace and game show hosts.
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He was part of your team's plans as late as June...why?
 
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ntxVOL said:
Where are you getting that there was a problem with the rape kit other than your school chose to act like it didn't exist in it's own investigation?
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Don't rely on Deadspin, TMZ, GQ, Seventeen Magazine, Texas Monthly ect for your information. Do your homework, it's out there. So is the fact that the victim refused Baylor's investigation access to the rape kit.
 
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ntxVOL said:
My remark about the judge being a Baylor grad was in reference to the gag order. That gag order helped keep this whole thing quiet while the Wacko media turned a blind eye to other information that was publicly available.
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Or the gag order kept the victim from being dragged through the mud until the case was settled.

Sounds as if you are in favor of how the victim in the Winston case was treated in Tallahassee.
 
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butchna said:
He was part of your team's plans as late as June...why?
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I know Bennett said be expected SU back but I don't know where he planned to play a guy that has been out of football since his days at Boise on one of the nation's top five Dlines.

DT is manned by two preseason Outland Award candidates and DE returns a fifth year Sr starter, an All-American and a Fr All-American.
Hard to see where Ukwuachu would fit in after all of those years of rust.
 
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onevol74 said:
Why can't the NCAA set behavioral admission standards for athletic programs like they do for academics? UT uses the excuse that they have to recruit the marginal behavior athletes to remain competitive with other SEC schools. Where are the standards? Why do we continue to enable these kids thug behavior? .
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Totally agree. The P5 conferences should exit the NCAA and form their own organization with the BIG 10 and PAC 12 leading the charge.
 
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BUBear said:
I know Bennett said be expected SU back but I don't know where he planned to play a guy that has been out of football since his days at Boise on one of the nation's top five Dlines.

DT is manned by two preseason Outland Award candidates and DE returns a fifth year Sr starter, an All-American and a Fr All-American.
Hard to see where Ukwuachu would fit in after all of those years of rust.
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A+ dodge effort
 
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