Baylor DE Convicted of Sexual Assault

[BUBear]

A+ dodge effort

Dodge washed out at UNT, now is coaching at Austin Westlake.

 

[TOP]

He only got 180 days for rape?

 

[BUBear]

How long before the Title IX folks show up?

Now that's a good question. I hope (not) that Boise State has good Title IX lawyers.

Tony Heath | KRZI-AM

[/David Smoak) When did Art Briles contact you about Sam Ukwuachu?

(Tony Heath) It was after Boise State had recommended him to Baylor and I told Art there were never any problems with Sam at Pearland High School, no discipline problems with him at all.

(David Smoak) Have you read Art Briles’ statement about Sam Ukwuachu and the conversation he (Coach Briles) had with Chris Petersen?

(Tony Heath) Yes, I have, and what Art said in his statement is exactly what I was told by the Boise State coaching staff and also shared that same information with Baylor’s assistant coaches.

(Tony Heath) And, I don’t want to get involved in two university programs, but it’s a young man from my program. And, when we have student-athletes play at the college level, the coaching staff at each specific school keep me and others abreast of their progress, good or bad.

(David Smoak) Were you ever told by anyone at Boise State about Sam Ukwuachu’s domestic violence issues?

(Tony Heath) Never, I was told the same story in Coach Briles’ statement. And, in fact, I didn’t have any idea about Sam’s domestic violence with his girlfriend until this past Thursday. I would like to add, if I would’ve known Sam Ukwuachu or any of our players had any dometic violence in his past, here at Pearland or anywhere, I wouldn’t hide it and I would tell any coach who asked, to investigate him.]

 

[BUBear]

He only got 180 days for rape?

On hell, that's nothing. Winston got a Heisman and first round draft money for the same offense.

If only the good folks in Florida new what a gag order was and how it protects victims of these crimes, right ntxVOL. Oppps, wrong guy to ask.

 

[bamawriter]

So the guy's high school coach is Baylor's corroboration?

Good luck with that.

 

[ntxVOL]

Don't rely on Deadspin, TMZ, GQ, Seventeen Magazine, Texas Monthly ect for your information. Do your homework, it's out there. So is the fact that the victim refused Baylor's investigation access to the rape kit.

I would think someone trying to defend their school would just provide some evidence to corroborate that story.

Otherwise it sounds like total BS.

 

[BUBear]

I would think someone trying to defend their school would just provide some evidence to corroborate that story.

Otherwise it sounds like total BS.

Glad you asked.




Question #17 is of interest.

 

[BUBear]

So the guy's high school coach is Baylor's corroboration?

Good luck with that.

No, the real question is why didn't Petersen inform Boise officials of SUs problems? What made Art Briles more special in Peterson's mind than his employees at BSU?

 

[bamawriter]

Glad you asked.


Question #17 is of interest.

That question applies to NCAA or academic eligibility. Beating a woman doesn't make you ineligible. Whether or not it should is a different story. Pointing to a yes-or-no question on a boilerplate form is a really weak defense. Baylor had all the opportunity in the world to find out about this guy's history, and they either failed to do their jobs, or they did find out what he did and simply didn't care.

Now, in Baylor's defense, I have a big problem with the requirement that colleges conduct pseudo-criminal investigations for rape accusations. It is a responsibility that the schools cannot possibly carry out effectively, and it puts them in a no-win situation. They don't have subpoena power, and they only have the ability to work off of he-said/she-said evidence. We have a criminal justice system for a reason. I understand the sensitive nature of rape and sexual assault, but if a victim is willing to report the crime to some pencil pusher at her school, she should be willing to report it to the authorities.

Mind you, that doesn't absolve Baylor from what appears to be some pretty terrible behavior toward the victim following the investigation. So many people involved with that school screwed up in so many ways.

 

[bamawriter]

No, the real question is why didn't Petersen inform Boise officials of SUs problems?

He claims he did.

And even if he didn't, the responsibility to vet a transfer is on the accepting school, not the school that just kicked the guy off the team.

 

[ntxVOL]

Glad you asked.




Question #17 is of interest.

Wtf does that have to do with your original assertion of a problem with the rape kit!?

Bear, you're all over the place here.

:loco:

 

[BUBear]

Wtf does that have to do with your original assertion of a problem with the rape kit!?

Bear, you're all over the place here.

:loco:

You didn't ask about the rape kit but the DoJ will.

They'll ask why she refused to release it to Baylor to aid in the schools investigation.

They'll ask Waco PD why they felt the kit wasn't consistent with rape.

They'll ask the jury the same question they ask Waco PD.

Once these questions have been answered and DoJ examines the rape kit, what do you think they will conclude?

Now as for me producing the rape kit, if she wouldn't release it to Baylor do you think she will release it the me?:loco:

 

[ntxVOL]

You said:

The jury in this trial had the same problem with the rape kit test that Waco PD had...it wasn't consistent with rape. After deliberating for four hours they convicted Ukwuachu on the lesser charge of sexual assault, not rape.

The following day the jury deliberated for three hours and came back with the "recommendation" of 8 years probation. The word "recommendation" in Texas law isn't really a recommendation at all.



The second generation Baylor Grad upped the sentence to the most he was allowed to do by law. The jury "recommended" zero days in jail.

What did the judge in the rape trial in Tallahassee do?

I replied:

Bear, that is total BS, the TX penal code doesn't have a charge for "rape", it is covered under the broader charge of sexual assault. And the jury had no problem with finding him guilty. Where are you getting that there was a problem with the rape kit other than your school chose to act like it didn't exist in it's own investigation?

My remark about the judge being a Baylor grad was in reference to the gag order. That gag order helped keep this whole thing quiet while the Wacko media turned a blind eye to other information that was publicly available.

The big issue here is that your school harbored this guy on their campus while keeping everything quiet. Your DC made remarks in the spring the he expected this guy to play. All this AFTER he had been indicted.

You replied:

Don't rely on Deadspin, TMZ, GQ, Seventeen Magazine, Texas Monthly ect for your information. Do your homework, it's out there. So is the fact that the victim refused Baylor's investigation access to the rape kit.

I replied:

I would think someone trying to defend their school would just provide some evidence to corroborate that story.

Otherwise it sounds like total BS.

You didn't ask about the rape kit but the DoJ will.

They'll ask why she refused to release it to Baylor to aid in the schools investigation.

They'll ask Waco PD why they felt the kit wasn't consistent with rape.

They'll ask the jury the same question they ask Waco PD.

Whut?

 

[BUBear]

You said:



I replied:



You replied:



I replied:




Whut?

Actually...you didn't. See post #81.

I would think someone trying to defend their school would just provide some evidence to corroborate that story.

Otherwise it sounds like total BS.

On wait, I just did your homework for you again. WTF :whistling:

 

[ntxVOL]

OK, so now I am asking you BEAR.

Put up or shut up.

You made reference to a problem with the rape kit as though it were a fact. Prove it or STFU.

 

[bamawriter]

I have a couple of questions for you regarding some of your assertions. Please don't get defensive, as I am willing to accept the fact that your assertions are correct. I've been busy and haven't had the time to dig into the public record, so my information has come from articles, which obviously aren't always reliable.

My questions follow your assertions:

You didn't ask about the rape kit but the DoJ will.

They'll ask why she refused to release it to Baylor to aid in the schools investigation.

Can you provide a link? Everything I've read says that McCraw never saw the results of the rape kit, but nothing I've read says the victim refused her request.

That said, it's not like Baylor could subpoena the results, so they would have needed her cooperation. But given her cooperation with the rest of the investigation, it seems odd she'd refuse to provide the results.

Either way, could you provide a link to her refusal?

They'll ask Waco PD why they felt the kit wasn't consistent with rape.

Again, do you have a link? I've not personally read the results, though I will try to when I have the time to dig into the public record. Everything I've read says that the rape kit found "vaginal redness, bleeding, and friction injuries." While not necessarily conclusive of rape, those findings are certainly not "[in]consistent with rape" as you put it.

Do you have a link to the kit results so I don't have to dig? Absent that, do you have a link from any kind of source reporting that the rape kit wasn't consistent with rape?

 

[BUBear]

He claims he did.

And even if he didn't, the responsibility to vet a transfer is on the accepting school, not the school that just kicked the guy off the team.

Sure he claims he did but in a follow up e-mail from Boise to Baylor, BSU still didn't support his claim.

 

[bamawriter]

Sure he claims he did but in a follow up e-mail from Boise to Baylor, BSU still didn't support his claim.

You continue to gloss over the fact that Baylor bore the responsibility to vet the transfer. If they couldn't get a straight answer from BSU, then they needed to go a different route to get it. Though charges weren't filed, the Boise PD investigated the abuse incident. There is no excuse for Baylor being unaware, if they were indeed unaware.

 

[BUBear]

You continue to gloss over the fact that Baylor bore the responsibility to vet the transfer. If they couldn't get a straight answer from BSU, then they needed to go a different route to get it. Though charges weren't filed, the Boise PD investigated the abuse incident. There is no excuse for Baylor being unaware, if they were indeed unaware.

This assumes Petersen told Briles everything about SUs situation. As a school founded by lawyers and politicians would it not be reasonable for Baylor to ask BSU specific questions about Peterson's claims...CYA. If Petersen didn't tell Briles anything then how would Baylor know what to ask?

Briles has kicked an All-Pro receiver (Terrence Williams) and the schools highest rated 5* player (Ricky Rhoads) out of school for weed, does it seem reasonable that he would knowingly accept a headache like SU.

 

[bamawriter]

This assumes Petersen told Briles everything about SUs situation. As a school founded by lawyers and politicians would it not be reasonable for Baylor to ask BSU specific questions about Peterson's claims...CYA. If Petersen didn't tell Briles anything then how would Baylor know what to ask?

Baylor had only one question to answer: "Why is SU transferring?" If they didn't get a straight answer from Petersen or anyone else at BSU, then they needed to go elsewhere to get the truth. Throwing your hands up and saying "Well, the coach won't tell me, so I guess that's that," simply isn't good enough.

The truth is, I think Baylor did know about the Boise incident and chose to take SU anyway. And I don't really have a problem with that. No charges were filed, so perhaps they figured it was overblown. They certainly could have concluded that SU was a good guy who did something stupid and wouldn't do it again. We can try and claim the moral high ground and say "anyone accused of hitting a woman shouldn't be playing college football," but that's way too simplistic. If he was never going to face legal consequences, then should his life be forever destroyed by an accusation? That's a scary thought.

So I don't see the transfer as the problem. But because I find it impossible to believe that Baylor didn't know about the Boise incident, I am baffled by their "investigation" of the rape. Whether or not schools should be tasked with such investigations (they shouldn't), they had to know that they were dealing with a large man who was likely a danger to women. He should have been kicked out of school right then.

 

[ntxVOL]

This assumes Petersen told Briles everything about SUs situation. As a school founded by lawyers and politicians would it not be reasonable for Baylor to ask BSU specific questions about Peterson's claims...CYA. If Petersen didn't tell Briles anything then how would Baylor know what to ask?

Briles has kicked an All-Pro receiver (Terrence Williams) and the schools highest rated 5* player (Ricky Rhoads) out of school for weed, does it seem reasonable that he would knowingly accept a headache like SU.

Not true

 

[BUBear]

Not true

You caught me, you caught the Tater.

It was All-Pro Josh Gordon along with future Houston Texan Willie Jefferson.

 

[bamawriter]

Bear, still wondering if you'll provide the links I asked for at the top of this page.

 

[BUBear]

Bear, still wondering if you'll provide the links I asked for at the top of this page.

No links yet but you know my posting history on volnation...will provide when available. You also know I eat my crow when it's coming.

 

[bamawriter]

No links yet but you know my posting history on volnation...will provide when available. You also know I eat my crow when it's coming.

Reading over Waco Tribune writer Tommy Witherspoon's live tweets from the trial.

The sexual assault nurse that conducted the investigation testified that the injuries she noted during the rape kit would occur less than 10% of the time if the sex was consensual. So it sounds to me like your assertion that the rape kit wasn't consistent with rape is totally false.

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