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#126
#126
hatvol96 said:
Name the last time a black coach had the reigns at an Alabama, USC, Florida, et al. The record of Mike Tomlin, Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith and others at a level far more difficult to win at than D-I renders your point worthless. It's a perfect copout for spineless ADs who don't want to look like bigots to the sane world, while still appeasing their bigoted, halfwit fanbases. "A black coach failed at traditionally awful program A, so we can't think about giving one a job at a traditional power."
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I'm glad you know exactly what my "point" was. Its impressive how you knew I was trying to make a point by asking a question. Maybe one day when you're not up there on your horse, you can teach me how to assume like you.

I was simply asking what minority coaches have had succesful careers.I honestly don't even know the actual number of minority coaches, current or in the past. Must be my ignorance coming out. Nevermind I may have been genuinely interested in finding the answer to my question without some ulterior motive.
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#129
#129
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
well if that was a weak attempt to insult my intellegence, i graduated with a 3.7 and have a 4.0 in grad school. However what i was refering to was the fact that my parents werent "typical whitey" as in had tons of money, and i went off to college and basically supported myself. But thanks for playing
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So you're saying that you can attribute your success in life to your parents ability to send you to college. How is it hard to understand that a black kid your age probably doesn't have that same opportunity because of the way society was at the time when their parents were growing up. Less opportunity for the parent often means more challenges for their children. Why does it bother you that most of America realizes this inequality and has implemented a system to try and counteract that. The system isn't perfect but it's a difficult situation. 50 or 100 years from now, there will be no need for such a system(at least not for blacks).
 
#130
#130
gainesvol82 said:
Qualified for a job doesn't always mean that they are the best fit. Turner Gill has 1 good season at Buffalo. I agree that Gill should have gotten the job over Chizik but not because of his stellar resume. Charlie Strong would be a better example. Your last question has nothing to do with my post. Of course I realize they have been coaching longer than 10 years. WTF?? My point was that there has been more opportunity for black coaches in the last 20 years. You're seeing more young black men focus on coaching due to those opportunities that haven't always been there. There are a host of young black coordinators and position coaches who will be looked at for HC vacancies as they become more experienced and proven.
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What? We have white guys who played college ball a dozen years ago that are now getting major head coaching jobs. Plus, blacks have been experienced and proven for many decades.
 
#131
#131
k-town_king said:
This is one of the most asinine statements I have seen on this board. Look up a study by the U of Minn that had four men. Two white with felony cocaine convictions and two black college students no record and all four appied for the same hundred entry level jobs. The two white men were both called back by over 30 jobs, the two black guys were called back by 12 and 14. This is one example. Maybe some are blind some are ignorant and some are just plain rascist but anyone who thinks any minority and whites live in the same world or are judged the same is wrong.
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I know that study very well and it was done to be used as a statistic for those that don't know Minnesota law to promote their own reasons. There is a law in Minnesota as well as other states with basically 'affirmative action' for reformed convicts when the non-violent crime coming more than 5 years prior with no recent convictions. So by not calling back the reformed felons the company were facing possible litigation over that race albeit aside, so the researchers would get their story no matter what the outcome, if the white felons didn't get calls back then the companies were breaking the law, if the minorities got less call backs the job offers were racist. So please research the full reasoning and skews behind studies before taking their 'statistics' at face value, everybody who does research like that has motive. As the common saying goes: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" so don't believe every finding like that was done without its own biases.
 
#132
#132
droski said:
gill was 5-7 last year and won 3 games the year before. i;d say he had more than one decent season considering the turd he inherited
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IMO, Gill runs a huge risk heading back to Buffalo. If he doesn't at least keep the status quo, he was just lucky in the eyes of the AD world.

For the record: I ranted and raved all I could to get him to Army.
 
#133
#133
awebb7 said:
The nightly decision between drinking at the bar or at a friends house has been the downfall of many upstanding brilliant and hardworking southern males.
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Not saying you, but what would most of the board say about a black man who admitted that?
 
#134
#134
BigPapaVol said:
IMO, Gill runs a huge risk heading back to Buffalo. If he doesn't at least keep the status quo, he was just lucky in the eyes of the AD world.

For the record: I ranted and raved all I could to get him to Army.
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yup. you try recruiting decent talent to upstate new york. my guess is he doesn't have the talent there to have winning teams every year. though i'm not sure army or iowa state is a major upgrade.
 
#135
#135
NochNoch said:
Well I'm sure it will be dismissed as not being a major program but I did give you one.
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I must have missed it, viewing this site on the crackberry proves to be a challenge sometimes. Could you post it again, and what school?
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#136
#136
droski said:
yup. you try recruiting decent talent to upstate new york. my guess is he doesn't have the talent there to have winning teams every year. though i'm not sure army or iowa state is a major upgrade.
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he made the right move if ISU was his only other option.

Like I said, my boys at Army say he told Auburn no.
 
#137
#137
Obviously after reading this some need to get out in the world a little more and try to understand things a little better.Hat's responses are 100% dead-on IMO.
 
#138
#138
jwells said:
No, if you're poor due to laziness anywhere and you don't want to succeed you get a government handout. Race doesn't play into it. A lazy person is a lazy person.
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Exactly. It sounds like most of these people haven't seen the trailer parks in the south that are filled with white degenerates who choose not to better their lives.
(Not saying that all trailer parks or people that live in them are bad. Some are quite nice and I don't judge anybody for finding cheap housing.)
 
#139
#139
gainesvol82 said:
Exactly. It sounds like most of these people haven't seen the trailer parks in the south that are filled with white degenerates who choose not to better their lives.
(Not saying that all trailer parks or people that live in them are bad. Some are quite nice and I don't judge anybody for finding cheap housing.)[/QUOTE]

Its funny that you put this in parantheses. I think the general fear of "someone" being offended makes us do this. I notice I do the same thing.
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#140
#140
gainesvol82 said:
Exactly. It sounds like most of these people haven't seen the trailer parks in the south that are filled with white degenerates who choose not to better their lives.
(Not saying that all trailer parks or people that live in them are bad. Some are quite nice and I don't judge anybody for finding cheap housing.)
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unfortunately, this is a descriptor that really knows no racial bounds.
 
#141
#141
#143
#143
UtennfaninVa said:
I know that study very well and it was done to be used as a statistic for those that don't know Minnesota law to promote their own reasons. There is a law in Minnesota as well as other states with basically 'affirmative action' for reformed convicts when the non-violent crime coming more than 5 years prior with no recent convictions. So by not calling back the reformed felons the company were facing possible litigation over that race albeit aside, so the researchers would get their story no matter what the outcome, if the white felons didn't get calls back then the companies were breaking the law, if the minorities got less call backs the job offers were racist. So please research the full reasoning and skews behind studies before taking their 'statistics' at face value, everybody who does research like that has motive. As the common saying goes: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" so don't believe every finding like that was done without its own biases.
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You may be right if there is a law making them look at felons but to say this wouldnt be a typical or common thing is not being realistic. Getting a job as a black man in america is usually harder than if you are white. It depends on who is doing the hiring and lets be real most doing the hiring are white. It may not be overt rascism where hey just hate black people but they would rather hire whites because they arent comfortable around blacks, esp. young black males. This is what hurts black coaches sometimes. And no Im not saying every white person who hires thinks like this, I think the US has come a long way in hiring practices but has a long way to go.
 
#144
#144
TIGER DEN said:
This must explain the Tiger vs Phil theory that Tiger has a huge advantage because he's right handed:eek:k:
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The PGA is far worse than the NCAA in regards to prejudice. You have your Tiger and your Phil as your token Black and Lefty. Very few other reps. PGA loves them some Righty. :p

Okay I'll stop now.
 
#150
#150
manufactured home trash actually sounds like something you'd put out by the street every Tuesday morning.

I just don't think it works. Trailer is here to stay.
 
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