Belichick to UNC

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Boston Vol said:
Bill Belichick is worse than Mack Brown?
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Never coached at the college level. Even for a great coach it's a rough transition.
Not just recruiting, and NIL, a ton of different rules that can trio people up. Look at Herm Edward's.

And it's not like Belichick was winning titles in NE when they let him go. Something had changed for him, and it's doubtful going to the college level will fix it.

It's not just pure coaching/X's and O's. Who knows what all demands he made that they have to approve. His son as head coach in waiting is poison pill enough for UNC to question or it to be a bad deal for them.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Not really sure of all the other candidates UNC had in mind for the job. The tarheels could do much worse than Belichick for sure.
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It's possible but it's unknown.

Right now Bill Belichick is more Herm Edward's than Nick Saban when it comes to college ball.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's possible but it's unknown.

Right now Bill Belichick is more Herm Edward's than Nick Saban when it comes to college ball.
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There really are no guarantees good or bad with HC hires. I thought USC would be much better right now with Lincoln Riley and also Nebraska with Rhule.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Again, this is North Carolina, not Alabama or Ohio State. They’ve had just one 10-win season this century. As for his age, he’ll likely coach for 4–5 years, but whoever they hire is probably only going to stay that long anyway. If they go the up-and-comer route, that coach will likely use UNC as a stepping stone and leave in a few years. His lack of college coaching experience isn’t really a big deal. College football is different from what it was even four years ago. Before the portal and NIL, it was a relationship-based business. Now, it’s become very transactional, which wouldn’t be an issue for Belichick.
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I think you sell the UNC job a little bit short. UNC isn't Colorado. I don't think they need an unconventional, desperate hire to get relevant like Colorado did. The only weak point of this job is that UNC is a basketball school. UNC is in great recruiting territory and they play in the ACC, which is an eminently winnable league, which means automatic playoff berth. I understood Colorado hiring Deion; I don't get this one.

He's never coached in college before (even in the NIL era, it is still more relationship-based than the NFL) and is 72. I know he wowed them with his 400-page "Bible," but realistically how long is he going to be there? We also don't really know that whoever they hire wouldn't stay long. Matt Campbell hasn't left Iowa St and Lance Leipold hasn't left Kansas. Kyle Whittingham and Gary Patterson didn't/haven't left their jobs for other schools. If a good coach showed up, got UNC humming, and was winning the ACC/making the playoff, I think there would be a lot of coaches who wouldn't be itching to leave.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think you sell the UNC job a little bit short. UNC isn't Colorado. I don't think they need an unconventional, desperate hire to get relevant like Colorado did. The only weak point of this job is that UNC is a basketball school. UNC is in great recruiting territory and they play in the ACC, which is an eminently winnable league, which means automatic playoff berth. I understood Colorado hiring Deion; I don't get this one.

He's never coached in college before (even in the NIL era, it is still more relationship-based than the NFL) and is 72. I know he wowed them with his 400-page "Bible," but realistically how long is he going to be there? We also don't really know that whoever they hire wouldn't stay long. Matt Campbell hasn't left Iowa St and Lance Leipold hasn't left Kansas. Kyle Whittingham and Gary Patterson didn't/haven't left their jobs for other schools. If a good coach showed up, got UNC humming, and was winning the ACC/making the playoff, I think there would be a lot of coaches who wouldn't be itching to leave.
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Campbell hasn’t left ISU because he hasn’t really had the opportunity to. He interviewed for the TN job in ‘18, the Ohio State job in ‘19, the Detroit Lions job in ‘21, and the USC job in ‘22. He would have taken any of the them had he been extended an offer. Gary Patterson wanted the KSt job in ‘06, and the TN and Clemson jobs in ‘09. He never received an offer.

Of the candidates that are being talked about for UNC, the only one that seems like a potential long-term option is Jeff Monken, and given that he’d be 58 before next year, that would depend on how long he wanted to coach. Glenn Schumann would move onto to something better and Sumrall would be gone the second the KY job opened up.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Campbell hasn’t left ISU because he hasn’t really had the opportunity to. He interviewed for the TN job in ‘18, the Ohio State job in ‘19, the Detroit Lions job in ‘21, and the USC job in ‘22. He would have taken any of the them had he been extended an offer. Gary Patterson wanted the KSt job in ‘06, and the TN and Clemson jobs in ‘09. He never received an offer.

Of the candidates that are being talked about for UNC, the only one that seems like a potential long-term option is Jeff Monken, and given that he’d be 58 before next year, that would depend on how long he wanted to coach. Glenn Schumann would move onto to something better and Sumrall would be gone the second the KY job opened up.
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Those are just the ones that we know about. Do we know for a fact that Campbell or Patterson, not even a single time, couldn't have moved to a "better" job than the one they had?

I think the ability-to-make-the-playoff nature of that UNC job is probably its best quality. Sumrall is never making a college football playoff at UK. I just don't think UNC is necessarily a "bolt as soon as you find something better" job simply because there are fewer situations that are better than you might think, and there have been schools over the years who have been able to keep coaches who are above that school's pay grade anyway.
 
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I wonder if there could still be some late drama here. BB reportedly has been in discussions with the UNC Chancellor, who is a big backer of this move but the AD and multiple members of the BOT are not.

 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Interesting angle on this, if true. Bill might be trying to set his kid up to get the job after him. That makes him, at his age, going to UNC make a little more sense.

www.sportingnews.com

Bill Belichick has unusual condition for accepting North Carolina head coaching job | Sporting News

Bill Belichick has reportedly made certain demands upon should he accept the North Carolina position.
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Belichick would likely be a 3 to 5 year coaching hire for North Carolina.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Belichick would likely be a 3 to 5 year coaching hire for North Carolina.
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It appears he's both trying to prepare them to switch to a more "pro team" model AND set his son up with a good coaching opportunity.

It's the slow march to college programs being run like the pros and managed by people who know pro sports. Stanford just hired Andrew Luck for a new position that looks essentially like an NFL General Manager job. Schools are just preparing for the inevitable.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It appears he's both trying to prepare them to switch to a more "pro team" model AND set his son up with a good coaching opportunity.

It's the slow march to college programs being run like the pros and managed by people who know pro sports. Stanford just hired Andrew Luck for a new position that looks essentially like an NFL General Manager job. Schools are just preparing for the inevitable.
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Regardless if they are both being paid, coaching an18 year old college player likely living away from home for the first time is not the same as a seasoned 28 year old professional player.

And Belichick's success in the NFL directly overlapped with Brady's time as his starting QB. Without Brady, his record was under .500
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Has Belicheck won a national championship at the college level? You can’t just say because of NFL success, it automatically translates to college. Can Belicheck recruit? Does he have what it takes to deal with these young guys, NIL, the portal and profit sharing?
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No and the answer to your other questions would be the same for any first time college HC.
 
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"Shoot, Bill Belichick will get it, too," Bailey said via Noah Fleischman of The Wolfpacker. "We're going five (straight) years. No matter who the coach is for UNC, we're going to kick them."
 
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