Bernie Sanders Thread

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Well Bernie pretty much admitted he wasn't a serious candidate. He exonerated Clinton of her scandals. I guess he's trying to stay in her good graces when she gets the nomination.

:birgits_giggle: Bernie wants the bathroom cleaning head-chief position.

 

[lawgator1]

Well Bernie pretty much admitted he wasn't a serious candidate. He exonerated Clinton of her scandals. I guess he's trying to stay in her good graces when she gets the nomination.

Or he's saying that the scandals are bs and he thinks the righteous path to victory is to discuss issues.


But hey, you guys have some more committees on that and get back to us, mkay?

 

[theFallGuy]

Or he's saying that the scandals are bs and he thinks the righteous path to victory is to discuss issues.


But hey, you guys have some more committees on that and get back to us, mkay?

And why would a potential Democratic nominee not use the scandals to hammer Clinton on the specifics instead of exchanging hugs? And spare me the part about Democratic nominees being so much kinder to each other.

 

[tumscalcium]

And why would a potential Democratic nominee not use the scandals to hammer Clinton on the specifics instead of exchanging hugs? And spare me the part about Democratic nominees being so much kinder to each other.

LG has the mental capacity of a 10-12 year old.

 

[theFallGuy]

The whole thing was a dog and pony show. Clinton will be the nominee. Bernie isn't a serious candidate. /thread.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

And why would a potential Democratic nominee not use the scandals to hammer Clinton on the specifics instead of exchanging hugs? And spare me the part about Democratic nominees being so much kinder to each other.

I heard someone say yesterday that the other candidates better not beat-up on Hillary or mention her scandals because those that do would be ostracized or be shut-out by the DNC.

 

[Biopsyman]

Did Lincoln Chaffee borrow his suit from Christie? Dude needs to see a tailor

 

[volfanCLT]

This clown makes Obama look like the JV team.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Did Lincoln Chaffee borrow his suit from Christie? Dude needs to see a tailor

Dude has too much of a female face to me.....scary looking.

 

[UTCVol]

Bernie has his pet issue and is absolutely clueless on a lot of other topics, including the one that the president arguably has the most control over. I thought it was pretty funny how he actually was making good points about civil liberties but then had to make sure to blast the private sector in the same breath.

His opening statements are just random and unrelated vignettes strung together, full of buzzwords for the masses to eat up. Income inequality, climate change, 1%. He's the Trump of the left.

 

[theFallGuy]

Bernie has his pet issue and is absolutely clueless on a lot of other topics, including the one that the president arguably has the most control over. I thought it was pretty funny how he actually was making good points about civil liberties but then had to make sure to blast the private sector in the same breath.

His opening statements are just random and unrelated vignettes strung together, full of buzzwords for the masses to eat up. Income inequality, climate change, 1%. He's the Trump of the left.

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[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

We could do it by reducing environmental, labor and other regulations that are a hindrance to business. That along with reducing/eliminating the tax burden on business would bring hiring back.

Which environmental regulations are you speaking of? I'm not a climate change alarmist, I think it is blown out of proportion, but I mean come on, it isn't a bad idea to take care of the planet.

What labor regulations? Should we have no minimum wage and rely on workers unions to negotiate wages to match ability and skill of individuals similar to Sweden?

Lower tax burdens? The United States is one of the lowest taxed nations in the world with a marginal tax rate below 30% for the working class and Sweden is even lower than that for the working class, closer to 20%.

If you're talking about corporate taxes, the US is at 35% but the median domestic corporation pays 23% after deductions, while the multi-nationals usually come in at 28%. That's not high at all when compared to the rest of the industrialized world. There are countries in Europe that have higher and lower rates than us, and some countries we send jobs to (India) have higher rates. It isn't an overtaxation problem.

 

[hog88]

Which environmental regulations are you speaking of? I'm not a climate change alarmist, I think it is blown out of proportion, but I mean come on, it isn't a bad idea to take care of the planet.

What labor regulations? Should we have no minimum wage and rely on workers unions to negotiate wages to match ability and skill of individuals similar to Sweden?

Lower tax burdens? The United States is one of the lowest taxed nations in the world with a marginal tax rate below 30% for the working class and Sweden is even lower than that for the working class, closer to 20%.

If you're talking about corporate taxes, the US is at 35% but the median domestic corporation pays 23% after deductions, while the multi-nationals usually come in at 28%. That's not high at all when compared to the rest of the industrialized world. There are countries in Europe that have higher and lower rates than us, and some countries we send jobs to (India) have higher rates. It isn't an overtaxation problem.

1. Emissions limits is a start for both vehicle and industrial cost us consumers dearly. They have gone overboard over the last several years since all business does is pass these costs onto the consumer.

2. OSHA and workmen compensation costs have skyrocketed without giving business a way to control them outside of being draconian. It's now almost impossible to fight a workmen compensation insurance claim. If you get hurt on Sunday try to make it into work on Monday, get your medical bills covered and 60% of your income. Company subsidized health insurance has skyrocketed, that cost is either absorbed by the business or passed on to the consumer and or employee. Again taking money out of yours and my pockets. And yes eliminate the federal minimum wage and leave that up to the states.

3. Eliminate business taxes altogether, they just get passed on to you and me in the form of higher costs. And you bring up effective rates, there are millions if not billions spent each year by business to reduce tax burdens. Let companies bring their oversees profits home and pay them out in dividends or reinvest in growth, right now you are killed on taxes.

 

[Biopsyman]

Bernie is a kook

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

1. Emissions limits is a start for both vehicle and industrial cost us consumers dearly. They have gone overboard over the last several years since all business does is pass these costs onto the consumer.

2. OSHA and workmen compensation costs have skyrocketed without giving business a way to control them outside of being draconian. It's now almost impossible to fight a workmen compensation insurance claim. If you get hurt on Sunday try to make it into work on Monday, get your medical bills covered and 60% of your income. Company subsidized health insurance has skyrocketed, that cost is either absorbed by the business or passed on to the consumer and or employee. Again taking money out of yours and my pockets. And yes eliminate the federal minimum wage and leave that up to the states.

3. Eliminate business taxes altogether, they just get passed on to you and me in the form of higher costs. And you bring up effective rates, there are millions if not billions spent each year by business to reduce tax burdens. Let companies bring their oversees profits home and pay them out in dividends or reinvest in growth, right now you are killed on taxes.

I agree that emissions standards are getting excessive and we're the only highly industrialized large country that gives a damn about doing anything about the environment, but I still would rather not have our cities look like Beijing during the recent Olympics.

I also agree that their should be greater scrutiny on workers comp cases, as I know several people who have abused the privilege. Having said that, I also know just as many who were truly injured on the job, like my stepfather who had to have 3 back surgeries and his employer of 25+ years refused to help him.

If all business taxes were removed, how would we generate the revenue needed to make the roads for these businesses to move their goods to the market? How would we fund the education and training of their employees? Or the police and fire department protection of their premises?

I still have a difficult time finding a solution to overseas production by MNCs, however. Even with lower taxes and emissions standards, they'd never be lower than those countries they've moved to and American labor will never be as inexpensive either.

I had a student recently whose dad wanted to buy her an American car, so he got her a Ford Fusion. So in class, I had them go out to their cars to find their VIN numbers so we could see where their cars were manufactured. As it turns out, her Fusion was manufactured in Mexico using cheap Mexican labor and only 20% parts made in America. The Nissan Altima is manufactured in Tennessee and made with 60% American parts. Even after learning of this, her father still said he'd rather his money go to helping the Ford Corporation rather than the Nissan Corporation, despite American working class individuals in our very state relying on the income from their sales as well. It boggles my mind how some people will carry the water for people who aren't concerned at all with their well being.

On a side note, I enjoy discussions with you Hog because you're rational and don't resort to name calling. You're an excellent poster.

 

[Parker Street]

Sanders is a joke. He does Not want to be president. He constantly slams capitalism, then says, "You can buy my book on Amazon".

 

[DC_Vol]

Sanders is a joke. He does Not want to be president. He constantly slams capitalism, then says, "You can buy my book on Amazon".

That's different.

 

[theFallGuy]

Which environmental regulations are you speaking of? I'm not a climate change alarmist, I think it is blown out of proportion, but I mean come on, it isn't a bad idea to take care of the planet.

What labor regulations? Should we have no minimum wage and rely on workers unions to negotiate wages to match ability and skill of individuals similar to Sweden?

Lower tax burdens? The United States is one of the lowest taxed nations in the world with a marginal tax rate below 30% for the working class and Sweden is even lower than that for the working class, closer to 20%.

If you're talking about corporate taxes, the US is at 35% but the median domestic corporation pays 23% after deductions, while the multi-nationals usually come in at 28%. That's not high at all when compared to the rest of the industrialized world. There are countries in Europe that have higher and lower rates than us, and some countries we send jobs to (India) have higher rates. It isn't an overtaxation problem.

The US has highest corporate rate among major economies at a whopping 40%. And what do we get for that? Accountants find ways to beat the system with loopholes. Higher tax rates are not the answer.

Corporate Income Tax Rates around the World, 2015 | Tax Foundation

 

[FLVOL_79]

The US has highest corporate rate among major economies at a whopping 40%. And what do we get for that? Accountants find ways to beat the system with loopholes. Higher tax rates are not the answer.

Corporate Income Tax Rates around the World, 2015 | Tax Foundation

The reality is higher corporate tax rates will absolutely be passed onto the consumer. So when calling for higher business taxes you are effectively asking everyone to take on a higher financial burden for goods and services so a few morons can pat themselves on the back. Do I have a solution to make companies pay more? Nope. Outside of forcing them to pay a specific amount and force them NOT to be able to adjust prices I don't see what could be done.

More smoke and mirrors from the left.

 

[theFallGuy]

Sadly it speaks volumes about our citizens that a candidate can come out and say "Free college" and everyone will jump and cheer and say hooray.

 

[Ttucke11]

That is exactly what you are saying. You just can't see it. Come back and revisit this when you have lived in the real world for awhile.

Classic answer. Don't clarify your point and claim wisdom. And no it doesn't matter how long I live, your point still makes no sense in context.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Sadly it speaks volumes about our citizens that a candidate can come out and say "Free college" and everyone will jump and cheer and say hooray.

And doesnt realize that "Free college" already makes not very valuable degrees less valuable. The idea that a college degree, or education that matter, is going to help poor people has literally been shown to not be true. Dumb is dumb. Can't fix stupid.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Sanders is a joke. He does Not want to be president. He constantly slams capitalism, then says, "You can buy my book on Amazon".

You spelled Ben Carson wrong.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's hilarious to watch Trump call out Sanders. Hilarious.
Trump handles hecklers, calls Bernie Sanders a ‘maniac’ | OnPolitics

Socialist/communist. That is exactly what the Democrat party has become.

 

[DC_Vol]

It's hilarious to watch Trump call out Sanders. Hilarious.
Trump handles hecklers, calls Bernie Sanders a ‘maniac’ | OnPolitics

Socialist/communist. That is exactly what the Democrat party has become.

“I watched last night as Hillary and Bernie Sanders, they just couldn’t give away things fast enough,” Trump said, presumably referring to their promises of spending on programs such as higher education and paid family leave. “And they’re giving them to illegal immigrants. They want heath care for illegal immigrants. They want drivers licenses for illegal immigrants. They want, listen to this, social security for illegal immigrants.”