Bernie Sanders Thread

[Obsessed]

Being registered to vote and actually voting aren't the same thing. A majority of poor Americans don't vote.

Do you know why?

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

Proof that this administration is trying to destroy the folks who voted against him

Lol

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

And also proof that this fraud President Obama & his lousy Administration has been deemed the worst ever for centuries to come after him.

He's not even ranked lower than the other president from this century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ln-1-obama-18-kennedy-judged-most-over-rated/

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

He's not even ranked lower than the other president from this century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ln-1-obama-18-kennedy-judged-most-over-rated/

That's their opinion & they have a bigger soapbox to yell their lies too. The Washington Post will do anything to shield this fraud loony left-wing idiot & embarrassing for the USA President from looking like the big lost dolt that he is.

 

[FLVOL69]

He's not even ranked lower than the other president from this century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ln-1-obama-18-kennedy-judged-most-over-rated/

Washington Compost? No bias there...

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

All leftist please read the following. I post this to reiterate that if many people will actually take command of their own lives they can realize amazing potential. It would have been easy for this guy to just let the wonderful government provide him with food stamps, section 8 housing etc. but he found inspiration in a place leftist tend to hate: Church. I am not a church goer but I realize the positive influence it can have.

Louisville Man Goes From Being Homeless To Owning Three Restaurants | urbanmaxx

Ben Carson went from being a latchkey kid living with a single mother to being the head of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. /thread

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If only that were the case.
It is the mindset of buying votes from an engineered permanent underclass.

If there were no goodies to give away it would be more difficult for the left ever win an election.

They STILL create issues about "Us vs. them"

Complain about the 1%
A "war" on women

Really preying on ignorance, jealousy and entitlement.

What a pathetic way to win, what a pathetic life.

ETC...

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Except the majority of poor Americans don't vote, unfortunately.

Prove it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The constitution speaks of promoting the general welfare, so the term doesn't just apply to the SNAP program - we are promoting the general welfare of our people through a variety of government programs, including ones you and I use and benefit from every single day.

As for that person appearing to be perfectly healthy and dressed in the latest fashion? What do you know of that person's mental state? Did you give them a full physical and deem them perfectly healthy? There are so many things that could have gone wrong in that person's life. As for them dressing in the latest fashion? How do you know they aren't thrift shoppers? Go to the Goodwill in Franklin, TN and you'll find new name brand clothes for sale. What if they were on their way or returning from a job interview? Are all welfare recipients supposed to wear a burlap sack or what?

Always some kind of excuse.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

He's not even ranked lower than the other president from this century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ln-1-obama-18-kennedy-judged-most-over-rated/

Washington Post... lulz. the only media outlet more liberal than PMSNBC

And a blog nonetheless.... Great citation. lol:

 

[hog88]

The vast majority of states that receive federal government assistance are red states.

Yep, military installations = federal assistance. Your ignorance is on full display.

 

[Biopsyman]

The vast majority of states that receive federal government assistance are red states.

That money comes with conditions from the federal govt

 

[theFallGuy]

The constitution speaks of promoting the general welfare, so the term doesn't just apply to the SNAP program - we are promoting the general welfare of our people through a variety of government programs, including ones you and I use and benefit from every single day.

As for that person appearing to be perfectly healthy and dressed in the latest fashion? What do you know of that person's mental state? Did you give them a full physical and deem them perfectly healthy? There are so many things that could have gone wrong in that person's life. As for them dressing in the latest fashion? How do you know they aren't thrift shoppers? Go to the Goodwill in Franklin, TN and you'll find new name brand clothes for sale. What if they were on their way or returning from a job interview? Are all welfare recipients supposed to wear a burlap sack or what?

In the Constitution the word "welfare" is used in the context of states and not persons. The "welfare of the United States" is not congruous with the welfare of individuals, people, or citizens. Also, "general welfare" is used in the preamble of the Constitution. The preamble does not establish any powers or rights. YOu can not draw the conclusion that the general welfare was intended to dole out taxpayer dollars to individuals from there.

What we can do is explore farther into the Constitution in Article 1 Section 8 that specifically states the purposes of taxation:

"Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

There is nothing in there about having the power to tax people and spend that money as a social safety net. Those changes came with FDR.

"By the twentieth century, the expansionist or Hamilton ian view of "general welfare" was promoted by the Progressive movement and then by Franklin D. Roosevelt. His "New Deal" used the "general welfare" clause as a distinct enumerated power, trying to shoehorn in a Second Bill of Rights. The supreme court resisted at first, but swung around, and as a result our country gradually became a welfare state. "

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

That's their opinion & they have a bigger soapbox to yell their lies too. The Washington Post will do anything to shield this fraud loony left-wing idiot & embarrassing for the USA President from looking like the big lost dolt that he is.

How else would anything be ranked besides subjective opinion? Presidents, football teams, movies. But pretending that the current president is unanimously ranked as the worst in centuries is as biased of an opinion than what the Washington Post stated in a blog.

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

In the Constitution the word "welfare" is used in the context of states and not persons. The "welfare of the United States" is not congruous with the welfare of individuals, people, or citizens. Also, "general welfare" is used in the preamble of the Constitution. The preamble does not establish any powers or rights. YOu can not draw the conclusion that the general welfare was intended to dole out taxpayer dollars to individuals from there.

What we can do is explore farther into the Constitution in Article 1 Section 8 that specifically states the purposes of taxation:

"Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

There is nothing in there about having the power to tax people and spend that money as a social safety net. Those changes came with FDR.

"By the twentieth century, the expansionist or Hamilton ian view of "general welfare" was promoted by the Progressive movement and then by Franklin D. Roosevelt. His "New Deal" used the "general welfare" clause as a distinct enumerated power, trying to shoehorn in a Second Bill of Rights. The supreme court resisted at first, but swung around, and as a result our country gradually became a welfare state. "

So there should be no federal social safety nets whatsoever? They should be funded exclusively by each individual state?

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

Yep, military installations = federal assistance. Your ignorance is on full display.

There are military installations in blue states, what the hell does that have to do with the the states that receive the most federal welfare assistance are predominantly red states?

 

[hog88]

There are military installations in blue states, what the hell does that have to do with the the states that receive the most federal welfare assistance are predominantly red states?

Post some proof big boy, proof that excludes military expenditures and is solely welfare and social services.

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

Ben Carson went from being a latchkey kid living with a single mother to being the head of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. /thread

You're talking about the young man whose mother received food stamps? The young man who received eye glasses, free of charge, from his public school? The young man who received financial aid so he could attend college? Of course people can rise out of poverty, but there are people today saying that safety nets shouldn't exist or should be temporary, forgetting (or mostly ignoring) that most people receiving these benefits aren't "screwing the system"

 

[MG1968]

You're talking about the young man whose mother received food stamps? The young man who received eye glasses, free of charge, from his public school? The young man who received financial aid so he could attend college? Of course people can rise out of poverty, but there are people today saying that safety nets shouldn't exist or should be temporary, forgetting (or mostly ignoring) that most people receiving these benefits aren't "screwing the system"

You do realize that before all of these great and wonderful social welfare programs existed, people still went to school, people still ate, people still received necessary health care.

 

[mrorange211]

Biden's decision hurts Bernie, no doubt about that. I don't see any way he could get the nomination now.

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

Post some proof big boy, proof that excludes military expenditures and is solely welfare and social services.

I'd like for you to provide proof that it is all military expenditures, "big boy". I can't use any source here because anyone that isn't Breitbart, World News Daily, or Fox News are all communists. But seriously, I used the Tax Foundation and PolitiFact. I try to avoid the Huffington Posts, Mother Jones, and other left or ultra left news sources.

Mississippi, Louisiana, South Dakota, Tennessee, and Mizzou are at or near the top of the list. Most southern poor states receive a lot of federal aid, but to say it is all military spending is ridiculous.

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

You do realize that before all of these great and wonderful social welfare programs existed, people still went to school, people still ate, people still received necessary health care.

I'm sure they did, just not the ones born into poverty. They were SOL.

 

[theFallGuy]

So there should be no federal social safety nets whatsoever? They should be funded exclusively by each individual state?

You claimed the the Constitution gave the Gov't the power to provide welfare with tax payer funded dollars. I simply stated that this was not true.

Welfare should undergo major reforms yes.

 

[theFallGuy]

You do realize that before all of these great and wonderful social welfare programs existed, people still went to school, people still ate, people still received necessary health care.

no no no, the Great Society saved us

 

[MG1968]

I'm sure they did, just not the ones born into poverty. They were SOL.

Got any proof of that?

It's been nearly 60 years since the War on Poverty began and the same percentage of the population lives in poverty today as when it began.