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#677
#677
I guess I'm just trying to understand why his writings are deemed as canon to certain segments and not to others.
 
#678
#678
Is purgatory discussed in one or all of those books?

So Catholics view of purgatory comes from these books but it is not talked about by Jesus or the Apostles?
 
#679
#679
JZVOL said:
Is purgatory discussed in one or all of those books?

So Catholics view of purgatory comes from these books but it is not talked about by Jesus or the Apostles?
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It is discussed at length in the second book of Maccabees. It is referred to in Sirach and Wisdom, and the idea of Purgatory (a cleansing place between heaven and earth) is mentioned in Job, Matthew, and Revelations.
 
#680
#680
Sorry to be so annoying with all these questions but what verses in Matt. and Revelation?
 
#682
#682
therealUT said:
It is discussed at length in the second book of Maccabees. It is referred to in Sirach and Wisdom, and the idea of Purgatory (a cleansing place between heaven and earth) is mentioned in Job, Matthew, and Revelations.
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I don't recall that and can't find a reference to it. Please supply verses being referenced in Matthew and Revelations.

Disregard. Slow fingers.
 
#683
#683
JZVOL said:
I guess I'm just trying to understand why his writings are deemed as canon to certain segments and not to others.
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Look in to the Roman Diaspora and the rise of Rabbinic power in the Hebrew Religion. Compare that historical event to the Protestant Reformation, and you will understand more fully how books are disposed of and sacred texts that are left are altered, under the guise of vernacular translation.
 
#684
#684
"And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." Rv 21:27

Matt. 12:32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

It is not possible to tie these verses to purgatory.
 
#685
#685
therealUT said:
Look in to the Roman Diaspora and the rise of Rabbinic power in the Hebrew Religion. Compare that historical event to the Protestant Reformation, and you will understand more fully how books are disposed of and sacred texts that are left are altered, under the guise of vernacular translation.
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What translation do you read? OT and NT that is.
 
#686
#686
Abraham's bosom is mentioned and there IS a separation between what we call the "good" and the "evil". There is nothing that refers to the "evil" as having a second chance afer they die. Even the early Church leaders recognized this.
 
#688
#688
CSpindizzy said:
Abraham's bosom is mentioned and there IS a separation between what we call the "good" and the "evil". There is nothing that refers to the "evil" as having a second chance afer they die. Even the early Church leaders recognized this.
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In Maccabees, there clearly is scripture that states that even those who disobey the 1st Commandment have a second chance at salvation, post-mortem.

CSpindizzy said:
Somehow "this age" and "the age to come" ties to that??
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Yes. If you can be forgiven in the "age to come" then it means that your soul can be unclean, post-mortem, yet have the opportunity to be forgiven.
 
#689
#689
There are many things pre-Christ that do not apply to us now. We are not perfect and will have sins even after coming to Christ. Nothing imperfect will be allowed into God's final kingdom. That forgiveness comes then. There is nothing that indicates there is a method of forgiveness for salvation after death.
 
#690
#690
CSpindizzy said:
There are many things pre-Christ that do not apply to us now. We are not perfect and will have sins even after coming to Christ. Nothing imperfect will be allowed into God's final kingdom. That forgiveness comes then. There is nothing that indicates there is a method of forgiveness for salvation after death.
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#691
#691
I just wanted to share this. During the past 12 months my church has been blessed by God.

It started last Easter when we, as a church, dedicated ourselves to getting out into the community to reach out to the lost.

By the grace of God we had 152 come to know Christ the month and days before the week before this past Easter.

Our church put on a play called Eternity. The week that we put on the drama, 401 people came to Christ!

I have never in my life been around any thing like this in my life! Awesome!

Just thought I would share.........
 
#692
#692
If there was purgatory wouldn't the Apostles especially Peter(who is claimed as the first pope) spend much time talking about this?
 
#693
#693
OrangeEmpire said:
I just wanted to share this. During the past 12 months my church has been blessed by God.

It started last Easter when we, as a church, dedicated ourselves to getting out into the community to reach out to the lost.

By the grace of God we had 152 come to know Christ the month and days before the week before this past Easter.

Our church put on a play called Eternity. The week that we put on the drama, 401 people came to Christ!

I have never in my life been around any thing like this in my life! Awesome!

Just thought I would share.........
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wow that is amazing!
 
#694
#694
Argument: By living your life by the instructions in the Bible, you show and or are living proof of the validity of the Bible.

Any one buy into this?
 
#697
#697
CSpindizzy said:
There are many things pre-Christ that do not apply to us now. We are not perfect and will have sins even after coming to Christ. Nothing imperfect will be allowed into God's final kingdom. That forgiveness comes then. There is nothing that indicates there is a method of forgiveness for salvation after death.
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Common sense dictates the following assumptions (I use common sense to argue these points, because using a book that most on here do not believe to be sacred nor inspired would be pointless):
Unpurified souls cannot get in to heaven
Humans, even devout Christians, still die as sinners
Even if that purification takes but a fleeting microsecond, it still takes place between life on earth and life in heaven
 
#698
#698
OrangeEmpire said:
I just wanted to share this. During the past 12 months my church has been blessed by God.

It started last Easter when we, as a church, dedicated ourselves to getting out into the community to reach out to the lost.

By the grace of God we had 152 come to know Christ the month and days before the week before this past Easter.

Our church put on a play called Eternity. The week that we put on the drama, 401 people came to Christ!

I have never in my life been around any thing like this in my life! Awesome!

Just thought I would share.........
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Well obviously the fruits on that tree are pretty evident. It's a sure sign that the Spirit is working there. Not many churches like that any more.
 
#699
#699
OrangeEmpire said:
Argument: By living your life by the instructions in the Bible, you show and or are living proof of the validity of the Bible.

Any one buy into this?
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I guess just to counter that would Muslims living their lives by the koran validate the koran?
 
#700
#700
therealUT said:
Common sense dictates the following assumptions (I use common sense to argue these points, because using a book that most on here do not believe to be sacred nor inspired would be pointless):
Unpurified souls cannot get in to heaven
Humans, even devout Christians, still die as sinners
Even if that purification takes but a fleeting microsecond, it still takes place between life on earth and life in heaven
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That is true and we could all go around and around till the end of time on this.
 
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